Cloudflare Developers•2y ago

alright thanks! haha sorry for making this channel sort of support channel

Xx03 A quick question. If my sessions NEVER change after being created, would it be b...

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 4:59 PM

Caching is never permanent, even with BetterKV.

Jjersey alright thanks! haha sorry for making this channel sort of support channel

Chaika•3/26/24, 4:59 PM

nah you're fine that's what this channel is for, products which don't have an explicit channel for them

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 4:59 PM

The cache is a best-effort basis and is only valid for the same datacenter where it was cached.

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:00 PM

That behavior is probably fine for you, since if you're checking on every request a user is likely to hit the same DC every request and so will hit the cache.

Iiamnotapipe thanks i will look into it a bit more and see if i can understand that where dur...

Chaika•3/26/24, 5:01 PM

It's just showing in which datacenter the Durable Object will end up in, if the user hits the one you've selected. colo = colocation, renting space in an existing DC, which roughly equals datacenter yea.
The dotted lines go to the place where the DO would be created.

IIsaac McFadyen That behavior is probably fine for you, since if you're checking on every reques...

x03•3/26/24, 5:01 PM

Makes sense. I guess I'll just stick with BetterKV until I swap over to D1 + cron jobs

x03•3/26/24, 5:02 PM

Are there any other caching / optimization tools that I can use with D1 or KV that could potentially save money?

x03•3/26/24, 5:02 PM

Besides doing rate limiting and designing the app in an efficient way

Iiamnotapipe do you have more info on betterkv? my first time hearing of it

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:03 PM

https://flareutils.pages.dev/betterkv/

Iiamnotapipe do you have more info on betterkv? my first time hearing of it

x03•3/26/24, 5:03 PM

Mine as well, it seems super cool though

Xx03 Are there any other caching / optimization tools that I can use with D1 or KV th...

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:04 PM

I'd recommend you wait until you actually see the amount of traffic you're getting to optimize further. At a certain point the amount of effort it takes to optimize things is a lot of work, work that might not even be needed if you see that the caching from BetterKV or otherwise is working well enough.

Iiamnotapipe ty. its meant to use caching to reduce reads if i understand correctly?

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:05 PM

Yup, exactly.

IIsaac McFadyen I'd recommend you wait until you actually see the amount of traffic you're getti...

x03•3/26/24, 5:05 PM

Makes sense. Do cloudflare's analytic tools let me see traffic from specific KV namespaces? I have a "codes" table for email codes and "session" table for sessions. Also, can I analyze other things like D1 traffic and worker CPU times?

x03•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

I'd check but the dashboard wont work right now

Isaac McFadyen•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

I'll let someone else answer that as I haven't used the KV analytics much myself

x03•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

Ah alright

x03•3/26/24, 5:06 PM

Appreciate all of your help by the way

x03•3/26/24, 5:13 PM

I was looking at pricing, and is the pricing on the default page here: https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/ for pages? The prices are the same but there's two different sections which is confusing.

Our Plans | Pricing | Cloudflare

Discover which Cloudflare plan is correct for your requirements. Find out more about Cloudflare plan pricing and sign up for Cloudflare here!

Xx03 I was looking at pricing, and is the pricing on the default page here: https://w...

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:15 PM

Pages uses zone plan

Iiamnotapipe is pages relevant to anyone who doesnt use jamstack? i cant seem to figure out w...

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:16 PM

I mean if you host a site full stop then yes it's nice to use Pages, mainly for the free static asset requests

Pages does use Workers though as well so you get all the power of Workers. Just with the DX of Pages when it comes to hosting

As convergence happens though we'll see Workers morph more like Pages and pick up that DX until they're one product

WWalshy Pages uses zone plan

x03•3/26/24, 5:16 PM

So these two are not related?

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

They're related in the sense that they're the same, not two diff plans

WWalshy They're related in the sense that they're the same, not two diff plans

x03•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

Oh okay, so if I buy the business plan I'll get features from both those screenshots

x03•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

I got confused because the feature pages dont overlap

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

yes

x03•3/26/24, 5:17 PM

Like the first feature page does not mention concurrent builds, etc

x03•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

Alright thanks for clarifying

Walshy•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

yes first focuses on zone features, second on Pages

x03•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

Makes sense

Xx03 Makes sense. Do cloudflare's analytic tools let me see traffic from specific KV ...

Chaika•3/26/24, 5:18 PM

As far as I know you can't get KV analytics per namespace except size, no request stats.
D1 has really nice GraphQL Analytics and you can get all sorts of analytics per DB and even per query analytics
Worker CPU Time is through GraphQL as well