Anything less than 80% Master gain and I personally just dont feel... much of any flight related qu

Anything less than 80% Master gain and I personally just dont feel... much of any flight related queue's at all minus centering strength , a lot of the time I run it on 100% master gain too, that's more to do with me than the stick, and the stick has always been performing perfectly

When I was running TelemFFB for the first time in months was when it tried killing itself with instant up/left as I was spawning in, never had that happen before.
Wasn't ready for it so couldn't catch it, still had my hand on the mouse from clicking Fly button.

TToreDL87 Anything less than 80% Master gain and I personally just dont feel... much of a...

Number481•3/31/24, 1:15 PM

Depending on how your EffectsEffects tab is configured (since the settings sliders are factors of the effects tab values), those Damper/Inertia/Friction sliders are insanely high and will absolutely lead to instability and potential motor fault protection shutdowns, especially when there are effects like engine rumble and or elevator droop suddenly playing when you load into an aircraft.

NNumber481 *Depending on how your `Effects` tab is configured* (since the settings sliders ...

ToreDL87OP•3/31/24, 1:22 PM

That's kinda just it though, "depending on", not much explanation for any of the effects what they actually do in flight if I'm gonna be honest.

Not many shared setups available either and I've tried them and they all just feel way too... weak/vague.
I've been doing lots of hard manual work with pneumatic hammers etc with nerves not in best condition, I don't catch the minute FFB queue's like maybe someone who has had a safer working life would.

With nothing to go on I don't have much of a choice but turning everything up until it feels good and so far it's been great up until recent incident.

TToreDL87 That's kinda just it though, "depending on", not much explanation for any of the...

walmis•3/31/24, 2:25 PM

That problem only occurs in IL-2 and only with TelemFFB running ?

Wwalmis That problem only occurs in IL-2 and only with TelemFFB running ?

ToreDL87OP•3/31/24, 3:00 PM

The one time it happened to me, yes, before that I didn't run with TelemFFB and never had that issue.

ToreDL87OP•3/31/24, 3:01 PM

I'll try WW2 mode again and get back to you, it specifically happened when joining the CombatBox server.

Wwalmis Or maybe spring adjust pot was turned off.

mac22443506•3/31/24, 3:25 PM

been doing some testing since recalibrating everything (and reversing the x axis) and rhino is working much better now - however still having an issue with the ah64 and force trim and wondering how best to resolve it? - basically when I start up the ah64 (note all setting in the configurator are default - i think) - my stick has a tendency to drift down - how when I hit the force trim button its definitely shifting to the new centre both the stick and also in the stick monitors (both in DCS and the one in the configurator) - however the stick still seems to be a little limp (like with a low spring value) even though spring is set at 100% in the main settings)and its also drifting down - however when I hit the reset FFB button (in telem) the stick firms up and behaves how I would expect - however now when I hit force trim the centre shifts in the DCS stick monitor to what I would expect however in the configuration monitor the centre remains unchanged and the stick does not shift to the "new" centre - however aside from the force trim issue the stick is behaving as I would expect - strangely when I check the debug page in the configurator (before the ffb reset) - loaded effects ID's 1-4 looking pretty normal - but appearing at ID5 is a spring entry that is showing 9% - centre of 0, coefficient 4055 and saturation of 4096 - immediately after I hit the FFB reset I get the loaded effects 1-4 as before (no ID5) then when I start using the stick again I get ID's 5-10 with the entry "SINE" next to them with "100%" next to all the ID's except ID5 which is now showing as "SINE" but strangely rather than showing as "100%" like the rest is showing with a "9%" next to it - similar value to before the FFB reset when it was showing as "spring" rather than "sine"- of course now the trim reset does not seem to be working the stick or show in the configurator monitor (can also provide some pics of the settings if it helps?)....

Mmac22443506 been doing some testing since recalibrating everything (and reversing the x axis...

Number481•3/31/24, 3:30 PM

1.) Please try without TelemFFB running. It does nothing to affect the force trim in DCS and you are only complicating things by running with TelemFFB while trying to troubleshoot the spring.
2.) All the "sine" effects you see are the various rumbles like engine/rotor/etc.
3.) Please again post pictures of your configurator , both the settings and effects pages
4.) Hitting 'reset effects' in telemffb will destroy the FFB effects that DCS creates and you may need to restart the sim to get them back... this is what the warning in TelemFFB means
5.) Whatever walmis is about to tell you

walmis•3/31/24, 3:32 PM

Yeah, that wall of text is very hard to read

Maybe some paragraphs would be nice.

walmis•3/31/24, 3:33 PM

ChatGPT to the rescue

After recalibrating everything and reversing the x-axis, Rhino is functioning much better now. However, there's still an issue with the AH64 and force trim that needs addressing. Essentially, upon starting up the AH64 (with all settings in the configurator set to default, I believe), my stick tends to drift down. When I press the force trim button, it does shift to the new center, both visually in the stick monitors (both in DCS and the one in the configurator). However, the stick still feels somewhat limp, like it has a low spring value, despite the spring being set at 100% in the main settings. Additionally, it continues to drift. Strangely, when I hit reset FFB effects (in telem), the stick firms up and behaves as expected. However, after doing this, when I hit force trim, the center shifts in the DCS stick monitor but remains unchanged in the configuration monitor, and the stick does not shift to the new center as it did before the FFB reset.

Apart from the force trim issue, the stick behaves as expected. Interestingly, when I check the debug page in the configurator (before the FFB reset), loaded effects IDs 1-4 look normal. However, at ID5, there's a spring entry showing 9%, with a center of 0, coefficient of 4055, and saturation of 4096. Immediately after the FFB reset, I get the loaded effects 1-4 as before, but now with ID5 showing "SINE" next to it, along with "100%" next to all other IDs except ID5, which oddly displays "SINE" with "9%" next to it, resembling the pre-FFB reset state.

Following the FFB reset, the trim reset no longer seems to function on the stick or reflect in the configurator monitor. Any assistance in resolving this issue would be greatly appreciated. (I can also provide some screenshots of the settings if needed).

walmis•3/31/24, 3:35 PM

@mac22443506 Do you use an extension with a heavy grip? That sounds like it could need some balancing using the "Balance spring" feature

walmis•3/31/24, 3:37 PM

Also check the "trimmer force" in DCS FFB settings

walmis•3/31/24, 3:37 PM

And like @Number481 number said, try troubleshooting without running telemFFB first.

walmis•3/31/24, 3:45 PM

Wwalmis Click to see attachment

mac22443506•3/31/24, 4:32 PM

All thanks for suggestions and sorry for the wall of text!(will try number points in the future!)

-so to address some of the points 1)so can check the trim settings in DCs (assume I should make them match the screenshot for the rhino column?)2)in terms of testing without Telem I can try (assume the force trim function should function with telem off- restring the position of the stick?)3)correct using the f18 metal stick with a Z extension - what would u suggest for the balance spring settings?4)will post some setting pics shortly?5) note your points on resetting FFB (found I did not need to restart DCs after resetting - only issue was the force trim not working - but restart if I do in the future) 6)assuming from the comments the id5 spring setting appearing set to 9% then after a reset appearing as a sine also at 9% could be a red herring?

Mmac22443506 All thanks for suggestions and sorry for the wall of text!(will try number point...

walmis•3/31/24, 4:39 PM

You know you can add line breaks using Shift+Enter right?

I/JG7_Moto•3/31/24, 4:44 PM

Having an issue in DCS, I start Telem, fly DCS, and someitmes if I change the plane, I do not get effects, to make it work I need to quite Telem and start it again

II/JG7_Moto Having an issue in DCS, I start Telem, fly DCS, and someitmes if I change the p...

mac22443506•3/31/24, 4:48 PM

Yes was aware of that one - during all my troubleshooting would restart telem regularly (but usually not DCS)- but it seems from the above telem (and resetting the FFB )might not be related to my issue - in any case will give it a try with and without telem and see what happens….

Wwalmis You know you can add line breaks using Shift+Enter right? 😅

mac22443506•3/31/24, 4:49 PM

No I didn’t - but do now

II/JG7_Moto Having an issue in DCS, I start Telem, fly DCS, and someitmes if I change the p...

walmis•3/31/24, 4:54 PM

Better post telem related issues to the telemFFB thread: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508

Virus•4/1/24, 8:43 AM

Hi, Walmis, my Winwing adapter stopped working.
Basically, I am switching between it and a Virpil grip. This time it didn't work. Now if I use the debug "grip" I get all FF FF ........ I tried to remove and remount multiple times. Also, before you ask, there are no bent pins nor in the grip nor in the adapter. With the Virpil grip everything works as usual. Is there something I can do to fix it?

wolfman59#6013•4/1/24, 10:35 AM

hello everyone, I ordered the 57BLF03 motor kit with the card and the USB which I have not yet received, my question is, can the whole thing be configured or should I do it myself?

Virus•4/1/24, 11:27 AM

debug window

VVirus Hi, Walmis, my Winwing adapter stopped working. Basically, I am switching betwe...

walmis•4/1/24, 11:52 AM

Hi, sounds like the mini PCB in the adapter could be damaged - not sure if electrical or mechanical. I can mail you a new one.

Wwolfman59#6013 hello everyone, I ordered the 57BLF03 motor kit with the card and the USB which ...

walmis•4/1/24, 11:53 AM

Hi, what do you mean by "configured" ?

wolfman59#6013•4/1/24, 11:55 AM

in fact are the motors ready for the configuration of the ffb joystick or should it be done once the rhino is completely built?

Wwolfman59#6013 in fact are the motors ready for the configuration of the ffb joystick or should...

walmis•4/1/24, 11:59 AM

Well yeah, you need to build the Rhino to calibrate the axis ranges and so on

walmis•4/1/24, 11:59 AM

But it's mostly plug and play

Wwalmis Well yeah, you need to build the Rhino to calibrate the axis ranges and so on

wolfman59#6013•4/1/24, 12:05 PM

ok ok, I ordered the DIY kit last week, so once it arrives I will be able to finish assembling the rhino and move on to the calibration stage, looking forward to that happening

Thank you Walmis

Wwalmis Hi, sounds like the mini PCB in the adapter could be damaged - not sure if elect...

Virus•4/1/24, 12:27 PM

ok, thanks....let me know how to arrange it

DuraCell•4/1/24, 1:54 PM

my ac adapter connector is kinda loose and sometimes it dissconects during playing from vibration, here is how it looks fully connected

DuraCell•4/1/24, 1:55 PM

DuraCell•4/1/24, 1:55 PM

Any fix for that?

peteg•4/1/24, 4:03 PM

Can someone point me to the directions on how to set individual configurations for different aircraft? Somehow I’ve missed that I’m thinking that it must be possible. Thanks in advance!

Fr4Ged•4/1/24, 4:08 PM

you need to use the WIP build of TelemFFB to be able to change individual configurations

blave549•4/1/24, 5:21 PM

Trying to update TelemFFB, getting the Defender "threat found" again. <sigh.>

Bblave549 Trying to update TelemFFB, getting the Defender "threat found" again. <sigh.>

Number481•4/1/24, 5:30 PM

we've done everything we can to try to avoid it, including writing a custom bootloader for pyinstaller, but its still a crapshoot.

There will be another build shortly that fixes a couple minor things that will probably be fine.

NNumber481 we've done everything we can to try to avoid it, including writing a custom boot...

blave549•4/1/24, 5:31 PM

OK I'll wait for the next build rather than beat my head against the screen. I can't remember what I did last time to get around it. Thanks!

Bblave549 OK I'll wait for the next build rather than beat my head against the screen. I c...

Number481•4/1/24, 5:54 PM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/1224414368406700072 No complaints from my system on the new build

NNumber481 https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1093558100713279508/122441436840...

blave549•4/1/24, 7:45 PM

Confirmed, NAV (Not A Virus) mode enabled

Andre•4/1/24, 11:45 PM

so supposedly I have all the spring settings activated on my stick but for some reason it is not auto-centering. am I missing something?

Number481•4/1/24, 11:49 PM

Andre•4/1/24, 11:49 PM

haha thanks!

Kowalsky•4/2/24, 11:53 AM

Guys, quick question. I got TM Hornet stick, but "CMS press", button 19 is not registering in VP app and in windows game controllers. I don't have TM base to check, is that normal with Rhino base or do I need to change some settings?

mark turner•4/2/24, 12:01 PM

Hi, just setting up my Rhino for the Helo pit, how easy is it to rotate the 5 pin connector so I can turn the base around ( cut off etc to the front) otherwise my stick is backwards....

Mmark turner Hi, just setting up my Rhino for the Helo pit, how easy is it to rotate the 5 pi...

walmis•4/2/24, 12:03 PM

It's easy, just undo those two screws and rotate the socket. The cable inside might not let it lift up, so you might need to open the leather cover to feed in the cable a bit.

KKowalsky Guys, quick question. I got TM Hornet stick, but "CMS press", button 19 is not r...

walmis•4/2/24, 12:03 PM

Other buttons work fine?

Wwalmis Other buttons work fine?

Kowalsky•4/2/24, 12:04 PM

Yes, rest is fine. I've played with grip selection settings but no joy.

walmis•4/2/24, 12:06 PM

No clue, sounds like it could be a wiring issue/fault in the grip itself for that particular input.
It should just work.

Kowalsky•4/2/24, 12:06 PM

I know this from TM manual but I'm not sure if it's the same case with Rhino

walmis•4/2/24, 12:07 PM

Anything less than 80% Master gain and I personally just dont feel... much of any flight related qu

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