is it a different story using the new python workers?

44star3star is it a different story using the new python workers?

Chaika•4/11/24, 6:33 PM

python workers are still in beta, they're aiming to support pure python packages and have a few ones with native dependencies inside the runtime itself/supported: https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/languages/python/packages/, although currently all that is disabled at the moment while they work on packages more

Chaika•4/11/24, 6:34 PM

Workers aren't node as they run in a browser like environment, in V8 Same JS Engine as Chrome), and then they just have various mechanisms to claw back support for some node libs. Fundamentally still no file system, no raw networking support, no process support etc.
Python support also isn't normal python as it's wasm compiled, and still not going to have a file system/raw networking support/process support

Fetch in both python (via patches to popular libraries) and Workers goes through the cdn flow and there's only non-standard support for tcp egress via their own tcp socket implementation, no node:net, and no outgoing udp, or incoming tcp/udp. Point being, it's all still very far from node or a normal python environment, simple packages will work fine, but iirc all of google's stuff uses their custom axios package which raw node:net under the hood.

morris•4/12/24, 4:35 AM

I’ve run into issues regarding UTF8 email addresses.

>> SMTPSEND.Utf8RecipientAddress; UTF-8 recipient address not supported.

Anyone have some insight?

Vikash•4/12/24, 9:41 AM

The real time logs doesn't show queue logs anymore? It seems to be showing queue-namequeue-name with event details, but not anymore or it's just me ?

This is my

queue()

queue()

function, but nothing appear in real time logs when I add the message in queue via dashboard as well via API. While it was showing logs few weeks ago.

async queue(batch: MessageBatch<Message>, env: Bindings): Promise<void> {

    try {
      console.log("messages", JSON.stringify(batch.messages));
      // some processing here
      batch.ackAll();
      
    } catch (err: any) {
      console.error(
        "Retry",
        JSON.stringify({ message: err.message, stack: err.stack })
      );
      batch.retryAll({
        delaySeconds: 5,
      });
    }
}

async queue(batch: MessageBatch<Message>, env: Bindings): Promise<void> {

    try {
      console.log("messages", JSON.stringify(batch.messages));
      // some processing here
      batch.ackAll();
      
    } catch (err: any) {
      console.error(
        "Retry",
        JSON.stringify({ message: err.message, stack: err.stack })
      );
      batch.retryAll({
        delaySeconds: 5,
      });
    }
}

Vikash•4/12/24, 10:39 AM

Seems like some issue with queues. It redirect to error page when I click on settings.

erwanriou•4/12/24, 2:00 PM

Hey does anyone know if cloudflare plan to release any other type of bucket for sourcing kit image than aws s3. We are currently in google cloud and would love to use the feature

Jiten•4/12/24, 4:31 PM

Hello Team

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:31 PM

idk how solvable this is but why does all traffic in China goes to SJC instead of HKG?

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:32 PM

Tested on both China Mobile and China telecom

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:34 PM

probably just fun peering/china network things

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:34 PM

cf has a specific network just for china: https://www.cloudflare.com/application-services/products/china-network/ for optimal serving/routing

CChaika probably just fun peering/china network things

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:35 PM

wait they cant peer directly with the 3 telecoms at HKG?

HHammer wait they cant peer directly with the 3 telecoms at HKG?

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:36 PM

my understanding is the china isps charge $$$ for peering

CChaika my understanding is the china isps charge $$$ for peering

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:37 PM

But did they managed to peer with China telecom at LAX

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:38 PM

218.30.54.214 (AS4134) -> 172.70.208.2 (AS13335)

oof2win2•4/12/24, 5:38 PM

is the paid workers plan per-account or can there be some form of "organizations" within which you have the billing set separately?

HHammer But did they managed to peer with China telecom at LAX

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:40 PM

that does look like it, no transit in the middle.
I am no china peering expert, I see a lot of VPS providers which china peering in LA. Maybe it's cheaper there? There's an interesting detail about china peering here: https://bandwagonhost.com/cn2gia-vps.php

CN2 GIA network for your VPS - BandwagonHost VPS

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Ooof2win2 is the paid workers plan per-account or can there be some form of "organizations...

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:41 PM

per-account

oof2win2•4/12/24, 5:41 PM

that's slightly annoying, thanks though

CChaika that does look like it, no transit in the middle. I am no china peering expert,...

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:42 PM

specifically this is of interest:

We also offer CN2 GIA/CTGNet services in Hong Kong and Japan. Note that Hong Kong and Japan based CN2 GIA VPS plans are going to cost much more. If latency is not an issue, consider using Los Angeles (eCommerce plans, link above).

CChaika specifically this is of interest: > We also offer CN2 GIA/CTGNet services in Ho...

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:42 PM

Oh yeah I remember CN2 GIA services, they are like a few dollar per mbps

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:43 PM

ultimately peering costs are more about "what they can get" then what is practical lol, they can charge whatever they want, and no one can do anything else except use the congested routes to china

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:44 PM

think I also heard of that you have to peer with 3 telecoms indivisually

HHammer But did they managed to peer with China telecom at LAX

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:44 PM

I would say as well,
try a Pro IP: 104.26.10.51, and then try an Ent IP (no chinanet): 104.18.16.18, I'd be curious if they are any better

CChaika I would say as well, try a Pro IP: 104.26.10.51, and then try an Ent IP (no chi...

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:47 PM

They took a kinda different route, actually

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:48 PM

neither to hkg

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:48 PM

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:49 PM

I just wonder why LAX/SJC, wouldn't singapore do better, don't think they charge that much to singapore

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:50 PM

well for free plan, anything more then normal transit costs would be kind of silly to pay for peering considering transit would probably be cheaper then china's stuff at some locations/places and free plan has lots of data use

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:51 PM

curious even for ENT they go to LA, guess just expensive/congested elsewhere

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:53 PM

funnily enough AS9808 (China Mobile aka worst routing in china) routes to SEA and have 50ms lower latency

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:55 PM

but thats china mobile

CChaika curious even for ENT they go to LA, guess just expensive/congested elsewhere

Isaac McFadyen•4/12/24, 5:56 PM

Probably not worth it either

Isaac McFadyen•4/12/24, 5:56 PM

Any Ent operating in China is going to pay for China net likely

Isaac McFadyen•4/12/24, 5:57 PM

So not worth optimising regular IPs that Ents won't even use

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:58 PM

10 gbps at Any2West

Hammer•4/12/24, 5:58 PM

thats the closest non chinese IX they are presented in

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:59 PM

they do such low capacity on purpose to force people to pay for peering lol

IIsaac McFadyen Any Ent operating in China is going to pay for China net likely

Chaika•4/12/24, 5:59 PM

ehh you'd think in this age of global companies some ents may offer services/free tools/etc which occasionally get Chinese visitors but not enough to make entering china worth it

IIsaac McFadyen Any Ent operating in China is going to pay for China net likely

Hammer•4/12/24, 6:01 PM

in fact you arent even supposed to have the server outside you are supposed to have it in china

CChaika ehh you'd think in this age of global companies some ents may offer services/fre...

Hammer•4/12/24, 6:03 PM

China Unicom does have interconnection facility at MEGA-i (iAdvantage Hong Kong), idk if that even helps

Hammer•4/12/24, 6:04 PM

(dont see cloudlfare there tho)

HHammer China Unicom does have interconnection facility at MEGA-i (iAdvantage Hong Kong)...

Chaika•4/12/24, 6:04 PM

I mean it looks like they're in a ton of places https://www.peeringdb.com/net/730

PeeringDB

The Interconnection Database

Chaika•4/12/24, 6:04 PM

but not on the public side, so probably all paid peering

</Wolf>•4/12/24, 6:13 PM

general-helpCloudflare doesn't block countries

Hammer•4/12/24, 6:13 PM

now it makes sense why china network is so expensive and have so many terms

async queue(batch: MessageBatch<Message>, env: Bindings): Promise<void> { try { console.log("messages", JSON.stringify(batch.messages)); // some processing here batch.ackAll(); } catch (err: any) { console.error( "Retry", JSON.stringify({ message: err.message, stack: err.stack }) ); batch.retryAll({ delaySeconds: 5, }); } }

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