Hi All, So I’m thinking I may get the Wingwing F16 EX (for the buttons!!!) to replace my TM F18 on a

Hi All,
So I’m thinking I may get the Wingwing F16 EX (for the buttons!!!) to replace my TM F18 on a VKB GF base. I’ve ordered a Rhino already.
If I get the Winwing grip, do I also need to get their base unit or does the Rhino work direct with the grip?

BBob Bushman Certainly compared to the earlier versions of the virpil configurator. Hit the...

corbu1•4/24/24, 6:25 AM

It is? You mean the VPforce or the Virpil configurator?

Bob Bushman•4/24/24, 6:28 AM

The quite old (2016-17 days) and no longer used virpil configurator.
The rhino software is rather straight forward and clear.

corbu1•4/24/24, 6:36 AM

Ah I see…Yes

BBurners | J-Dads Hi All, So I’m thinking I may get the Wingwing F16 EX (for the buttons!!!) to re...

Stryker990•4/24/24, 6:43 AM

Youll need the winwing adapter to use the grip and without the base afaik you cant configure anything in the winwing software as it wont recognize it but you will be able to use the default settings

SStryker990 Youll need the winwing adapter to use the grip and without the base afaik you ca...

Burners | J-DadsOP•4/24/24, 6:45 AM

Ah. OK. So it would be good to know if anyone has another view and/or owns the Winwing F16EX as it would be good to not have to buy the base. Cheers

BBurners | J-Dads Ah. OK. So it would be good to know if anyone has another view and/or owns the W...

J2_NobiWan•4/24/24, 7:37 AM

I use the Winwing F16EX on a DIY Rhino. You need walmis WW adapter, everything else works out of the box. Only exception is the vibrating motor in the F16EX but with the Rhino you have much better options to get vibrations.

I don't think that there is any need to use the winwing SW (which would require the WW base) because the Rhino SW ist pretty configurable by itself.

JJ2_NobiWan I use the Winwing F16EX on a DIY Rhino. You need walmis WW adapter, everything e...

Touch_Of_Legend•4/24/24, 8:32 AM

Post like this give me hope thank you.

I’m build a Rhino as my base and buying a nice stick.

I don’t want to waste money on a stick base I won’t need/use so I’d prefer to just buy the sticks.

I also plan to use a “shift register” but I assume you only need that with the DIY sticks?

Oh well as an international builder I’d rather buy it and have it than need it and have to wait (and pay) for shipping.

So this is great if I can just get a decent stick and ignore buying those expensive bases like the cm3 or whatever

Fr4Ged•4/24/24, 8:45 AM

calling CM3 expensive while building a Rhino base. just my humor.

Bob Bushman•4/24/24, 8:50 AM

Well one is expensive, the other is very, very expensive.

VPforceBot•4/24/24, 9:03 AM

:package:

RHINO #0503 Has Shipped!

Stryker990•4/24/24, 9:09 AM

There are a few things about f-16ex on rhino: no Firmware Updates, no rumble function and 2 of the virtual buttons on the secondary trigger wont work (btn41 and 42) but ive setup joystick gremlin to compensate for those

walmis•4/24/24, 9:18 AM

What are the secondary trigger functions? Maybe I can add them in firmware

Stryker990•4/24/24, 9:19 AM

They are 2 button that activate at certain points along the axis

Stryker990•4/24/24, 9:21 AM

Screenshot_2024-04-24-11-21-11-70_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg

walmis•4/24/24, 9:21 AM

ahh, i see

Stryker990•4/24/24, 9:22 AM

As said they are virtual buttons along the rz axis which are in adjustable on the original winwing software

walmis•4/24/24, 9:22 AM

I'll add this

walmis•4/24/24, 9:23 AM

Curious what are the use case for those virtual buttons in sim?

Stryker990•4/24/24, 9:24 AM

I use em for multistage trigger apache gunner has 2 x 2 stage triggers

Stryker990•4/24/24, 9:25 AM

Or for some planes that have covers on switches i bind the open state of those covers to those so when im using the plane normally ill open them for easier use

walmis•4/24/24, 9:26 AM

ah, cool

TheLurk🌽•4/24/24, 9:26 AM

its a super useful feature to have yeah, buttons along an axis

Stryker990•4/24/24, 9:28 AM

They aint super important but when u have a situation were they are usefull its a godsend

TheLurk🌽•4/24/24, 9:30 AM

i just noticed im red now... neat... cant wait to finally get my rhino

FFr4Ged calling CM3 expensive while building a Rhino base. just my humor. 😂

Touch_Of_Legend•4/24/24, 10:44 AM

Yeah I know I’m sort of wired funny that way but what I mean is I don’t want an expensive paperweight after building the Rhino so unless I need it I’d prefer not to buy it.

Do you guys prefer to use them so you can still use the set up software on the sticks? Or can I just get away without it.

Thanks man and sorry for the annoying questions

AndyHill•4/24/24, 10:48 AM

I still have a base for my VKB MCGU grip and I decided to change the functionality of one of the buttons and I might need the base for that, I don't really know

AndyHill•4/24/24, 10:49 AM

the decision was about 16 months ago and I still haven't installed the software on this computer because I hate it so much

TTouch_Of_Legend Yeah I know I’m sort of wired funny that way but what I mean is I don’t want an ...

PlaguedRoo•4/24/24, 11:23 AM

Whatever setup (software configuration to the base+stick) you do will be specific to the base. Once you change bases, you’ll lose all of those settings. Nothing is saved to the stick alone. So if you’re only going to use the Rhino as your base then don’t buy the paper weight.

PPlaguedRoo Whatever setup (software configuration to the base+stick) you do will be specifi...

PlaguedRoo•4/24/24, 11:25 AM

Speaking for Virpil hardware. I’m not sure if other vendors have some magic that saves settings to the sticks.

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/24/24, 11:29 AM

Anyone know how long it takes from order to payment to ship?

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/24/24, 11:30 AM

Once that occurs, is it generally a few days for each step?

WWhereNoLarkFlew Anyone know how long it takes from order to payment to ship?

walmis•4/24/24, 11:41 AM

Payment to shipment is usually in under a week, but also could be the same day

Wwalmis Payment to shipment is usually in under a week, but also could be the same day

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/24/24, 11:44 AM

Thank you walmis, just trying to plan my schedule so I can be home to receive the shipment once that occurs. Have a good day

WWhereNoLarkFlew Thank you walmis, just trying to plan my schedule so I can be home to receive th...

walmis•4/24/24, 11:50 AM

Yours should be out tomorrow

Wwalmis Yours should be out tomorrow 🙂

WhereNoLarkFlew•4/24/24, 11:51 AM

Great! No need to rush, take your time haha - hope I don’t come off as impatient. I appreciate the heads up.

Spelljammer1•4/24/24, 12:11 PM

I'm contemplating on getting the F14 from Heatblur in MSFS. Anybody able to compare the FFB with the F14 there (using TelemFFB), is it as good as with DCS?

Spelljammer1•4/24/24, 12:51 PM

asking here because this is now where the bulk of FFB experience is at

SSpelljammer1 asking here because this is now where the bulk of FFB experience is at 🙂

Number481•4/24/24, 1:01 PM

I don't own the aircraft so I can't speak to any potential feature compatibility issues (i.e. due to non standard telemetry for example) , but from a TelemFFB perspective, there's nothing special about that aircraft. It will be treated as any other aircraft you create a profile for so all the same effects would be supported as in any other MSFS aircraft.

Bob Bushman•4/24/24, 3:06 PM

Any ETA on the metal mount ?

Fr4Ged•4/24/24, 4:44 PM

this one? (just realized the Backorder thing)

Bob Bushman•4/24/24, 4:46 PM

That would be the one, just checked the form now myself, hadn't heard much of it for a while.

Guess I'll order one later today/tomorrow.

walmis•4/24/24, 4:47 PM

New batch should arrive on the first/second week of may

Wwalmis New batch should arrive on the first/second week of may

Bob Bushman•4/24/24, 4:48 PM

Sounds good, I'll give a hand at printing a new mount myself and order the aluminum one.

I'll assume you can take the order and send when able ?

walmis•4/24/24, 4:50 PM

Sure

NNumber481 I don't own the aircraft so I can't speak to any potential feature compatibility...

Spelljammer1•4/24/24, 6:05 PM

Thanks for your input. So the reason why I ask about this plane specifically is that the FFB for F14 in DCS was touted to be the best even before we were all saved by TelemFFB. From your sentence I do not quite see how would TelemFFB differentiate between F14 (non-fly-by-wire) and F18 (FBW), but presumably that is integrated in the flight models themselves?

Okay, I guess the next step is to learn how to create per-plane profiles for MSFS.

Wwalmis New batch should arrive on the first/second week of may

Chuff•4/24/24, 6:49 PM

is there a way to get one put aside and sent at the same time as my MFG pedal conversion when those become available?

SSpelljammer1 Thanks for your input. So the reason why I ask about this plane specifically is ...

MashedPotato•4/24/24, 7:11 PM

telemFFB (for DCS at least) does not run the actual FFB, that's handled by the sim itself. TelemFFB runs the additional effects that can be provided through the motors, which are not provided by the sim.

MashedPotato•4/24/24, 7:12 PM

FBW FFB is (depending on jet) kind of just like running the Rhino in spring mode, the hornet at least has a little bit of realistic tension gradianting when it's commanding G though, which ime makes it feel better to fly on than a traditional gimbal

MMashedPotato telemFFB (for DCS at least) does not run the actual FFB, that's handled by the s...

Spelljammer1•4/24/24, 7:28 PM

Thanks very much for this clarification, indeed I was wondering what does TelemFFB actually add.

Spelljammer1•4/24/24, 7:28 PM

in MSFS the only effects available are the ones from TelemFFB, right? because official support is not in game yet.

Hi All, So I’m thinking I may get the Wingwing F16 EX (for the buttons!!!) to replace my TM F18 on a

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