if you use the same id it would use the same namespace if thats what you mean

UUnsmart if you use the same id it would use the same namespace if thats what you mean

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Beny•5/5/24, 6:47 PM

Yeah, that's how I imagine it works. Was just wondering if there had been any considerations for Workers for Platforms, such as them being scoped to each dispatch namespace.
It might become a challenge to maintain a database of namespace ids assigned to each user (to prevent them affecting each other) when there are a lot of workers across various dispatch namespaces and deployment systems.
I'm sure it wouldn't be an issue at the moment with the maximum rate limit period being 60 seconds, but that's sure to increase in the future and might affect other workers if they both end up using the same namespace id.
Perhaps an option that disables it being scoped across all workers would be useful in situations like this, where that behaviour becomes an obstacle rather than something useful.

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UnsmartOP•5/5/24, 7:09 PM

Not sure why it would be hard to maintain a db?

UUnsmart Not sure why it would be hard to maintain a db?

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Beny•5/5/24, 7:14 PM

Well in my situation that would involve creating a central database among 3 different deployment systems, with clashing user ids & script names. Of couse it is achievable, but not an easy task.

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Beny•5/5/24, 7:18 PM

All that work could be avoided by a single additional option in the binding

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UnsmartOP•5/5/24, 7:26 PM

I highly doubt they would do that as it completely defeats the point of namespaces

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Beny•5/5/24, 7:29 PM

Hmm, what if namespace ids could be any string and were converted to a number behind the scenes?
If we could use a dynamic string that would solve everything, such as

namespace_id = "stores/[user-id]/1"

namespace_id = "stores/[user-id]/1"

Knowing which script correlates to which namespace number is the tricky bit

UUnsmart I highly doubt they would do that as it completely defeats the point of namespac...

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Beny•5/5/24, 7:48 PM

Yeah agreed, the option to disable it would remove the purpose of namespaces, but that might be useful for some people.
Instead of being at the account level, if they were at the dispatch namespace level for user workers this would also be helpful. It would be easier to maintain a database of ids for user workers in each dispatch namespace than across the whole account.
The option to set a scope level, like account/dispatch_namespace/self might be better

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Walshy•5/5/24, 7:54 PM

A namespace is expected to contains thousands or millions of scripts from different customers so I don't think that'll add much more than account level

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Walshy•5/5/24, 7:55 PM

but yes, I understand the need here. The rate limiting binding is a bit special here in how it works. cc: @tanushree │ Workers PM (for Monday)

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yurynix•5/6/24, 4:56 PM

Hello,
Is it possible to start tailing a WFP user worker, in the same way as:
https://developers.cloudflare.com/api/operations/worker-tail-logs-start-tail
?

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Yyurynix Hello, Is it possible to start tailing a WFP user worker, in the same way as: ht...

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Beny•5/6/24, 10:27 PM

The API for that doesn't work in WFP. The recommended ways to debug a user worker are with Workers Logpush and Trace Workers.
There was a Google Docs we all got shared in the beta with a walkthrough on how to do it, but some of that information hasn't been added to the Cloudflare site yet. It's not marked as confidential so I assume I can share it here.
The "Trace Workers" in there look identical to Tail Workers, perhaps they are the same thing (renamed from trace to tail?)

Workers_for_Platforms_Onboarding_Guide_-_External.pdf184.18KB

BBeny The API for that doesn't work in WFP. The recommended ways to debug a user worke...

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yurynix•5/7/24, 5:48 AM

Thanks

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yurynix•5/7/24, 1:54 PM

Is there a way to get a list of active traces?

/workers/traces

/workers/traces

returns 404:

{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}

{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}

{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}

{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}

even though I have some traces, for example calling

/workers/traces/4ee25b110c9748fd9344790259c7ce73

/workers/traces/4ee25b110c9748fd9344790259c7ce73

I get 200 OK with empty body.

Yyurynix Is there a way to get a list of active traces? ``` /workers/traces ``` returns 4...

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Beny•5/8/24, 10:37 AM

Doing a GET to /workers/traces works for me, it returns an array of all the traces set up

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Beny•5/8/24, 10:38 AM

https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/accounts/[account_id]/workers/traces

https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/accounts/[account_id]/workers/traces

BBeny Doing a GET to /workers/traces works for me, it returns an array of all the trac...

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yurynix•5/8/24, 11:01 AM

yep, that's the call I'm making:

curl -v -H 'Authorization: Bearer <token>' https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/accounts/<acc>>/workers/traces

curl -v -H 'Authorization: Bearer <token>' https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/accounts/<acc>>/workers/traces

I get:

< HTTP/2 404 
< date: Wed, 08 May 2024 11:00:15 GMT
< content-type: application/json; charset=UTF-8
< cf-ray: 8808f1e77d9e7d95-TLV
< cf-cache-status: DYNAMIC
< set-cookie: __cflb=0H28vgHxwvgAQtjUGU4yFBDJQfw1pfzuRDHHrrfFEmB; SameSite=Lax; path=/; expires=Wed, 08-May-24 13:30:16 GMT; HttpOnly
< vary: Accept-Encoding
< set-cookie: __cfruid=3fd212d653c86dd50df497588a24bf4403b8069c-1715166015; path=/; domain=.api.cloudflare.com; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None
< server: cloudflare
< 
{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}
* Connection #0 to host api.cloudflare.com left intact

< HTTP/2 404 
< date: Wed, 08 May 2024 11:00:15 GMT
< content-type: application/json; charset=UTF-8
< cf-ray: 8808f1e77d9e7d95-TLV
< cf-cache-status: DYNAMIC
< set-cookie: __cflb=0H28vgHxwvgAQtjUGU4yFBDJQfw1pfzuRDHHrrfFEmB; SameSite=Lax; path=/; expires=Wed, 08-May-24 13:30:16 GMT; HttpOnly
< vary: Accept-Encoding
< set-cookie: __cfruid=3fd212d653c86dd50df497588a24bf4403b8069c-1715166015; path=/; domain=.api.cloudflare.com; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None
< server: cloudflare
< 
{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}
* Connection #0 to host api.cloudflare.com left intact

< HTTP/2 404 
< date: Wed, 08 May 2024 11:00:15 GMT
< content-type: application/json; charset=UTF-8
< cf-ray: 8808f1e77d9e7d95-TLV
< cf-cache-status: DYNAMIC
< set-cookie: __cflb=0H28vgHxwvgAQtjUGU4yFBDJQfw1pfzuRDHHrrfFEmB; SameSite=Lax; path=/; expires=Wed, 08-May-24 13:30:16 GMT; HttpOnly
< vary: Accept-Encoding
< set-cookie: __cfruid=3fd212d653c86dd50df497588a24bf4403b8069c-1715166015; path=/; domain=.api.cloudflare.com; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None
< server: cloudflare
< 
{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}
* Connection #0 to host api.cloudflare.com left intact

< HTTP/2 404 
< date: Wed, 08 May 2024 11:00:15 GMT
< content-type: application/json; charset=UTF-8
< cf-ray: 8808f1e77d9e7d95-TLV
< cf-cache-status: DYNAMIC
< set-cookie: __cflb=0H28vgHxwvgAQtjUGU4yFBDJQfw1pfzuRDHHrrfFEmB; SameSite=Lax; path=/; expires=Wed, 08-May-24 13:30:16 GMT; HttpOnly
< vary: Accept-Encoding
< set-cookie: __cfruid=3fd212d653c86dd50df497588a24bf4403b8069c-1715166015; path=/; domain=.api.cloudflare.com; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None
< server: cloudflare
< 
{
  "result": null,
  "success": false,
  "errors": [
    {
      "code": 10108,
      "message": "workers.api.error.trace_not_found"
    }
  ],
  "messages": []
}
* Connection #0 to host api.cloudflare.com left intact

Yyurynix yep, that's the call I'm making: ``` curl -v -H 'Authorization: Bearer <token>' ...

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Beny•5/8/24, 12:36 PM

Strange, mine is working as expected, and that's not even the error message you get if the trace is not found. It is the error you get if you try to delete a trace that doesn't exist though

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rob•5/10/24, 4:52 AM

https://developers.cloudflare.com/api/operations/namespace-worker-put-script-content Is this what we should be using to programattically upload a user's code to a worker on WfP?

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UnsmartOP•5/10/24, 4:57 AM

yes

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rob•5/10/24, 4:59 AM

or https://developers.cloudflare.com/api/operations/namespace-worker-script-upload-worker-module

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Rrob or https://developers.cloudflare.com/api/operations/namespace-worker-script-uplo...

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Beny•5/10/24, 8:51 AM

The first API link you sent is for updating the code only
The second is the one you should use for the initial deployment and if you are changing any bindings

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rob•5/10/24, 1:22 PM

ah i see.. and whats platform_module then ?

KKai If i create a user script and delete it after 5 minutes does that incur the full...

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rob•5/11/24, 5:07 AM

We ever get an answer for this?

Rrob ah i see.. and whats platform_module then ?

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Beny•5/11/24, 7:50 PM

That's the name of the file for the example, such as index.js, but theirs is platform_module.mjs

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Beny•5/11/24, 7:56 PM

It lets a user script import another file uploaded by the platform instead of the user

import { platformThing } from "./platform_module.mjs";

import { platformThing } from "./platform_module.mjs";

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rob•5/11/24, 8:13 PM

ohh ok,. got it situated. thank you

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kian•5/15/24, 3:17 PM

As in the shape of the object for the bindings property in your metadata JSON?

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kian•5/15/24, 3:20 PM

[[dispatch_namespaces]]

[[dispatch_namespaces]]

in TOML maps to an array of these objects in JSON:

{
  type: "dispatch_namespace";
  name: string;
  namespace: string;
  outbound?: {
    worker: {
      service: string;
      environment?: string;
    };
    params?: { name: string }[];
  };
};

{
  type: "dispatch_namespace";
  name: string;
  namespace: string;
  outbound?: {
    worker: {
      service: string;
      environment?: string;
    };
    params?: { name: string }[];
  };
};

{
  type: "dispatch_namespace";
  name: string;
  namespace: string;
  outbound?: {
    worker: {
      service: string;
      environment?: string;
    };
    params?: { name: string }[];
  };
};

{
  type: "dispatch_namespace";
  name: string;
  namespace: string;
  outbound?: {
    worker: {
      service: string;
      environment?: string;
    };
    params?: { name: string }[];
  };
};

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kian•5/15/24, 3:20 PM

Creating a dispatch namespace is https://developers.cloudflare.com/api/operations/namespace-worker-create

Kkian `[[dispatch_namespaces]]` in TOML maps to an array of these objects in JSON: ``...

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kian•5/15/24, 3:32 PM

A Dynamic Dispatch Worker is just a Worker with one of these bindings

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kian•5/15/24, 3:32 PM

in the bindings property of the metadata when you're doing the upload, i.e https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-for-platforms/workers-for-platforms/reference/metadata/

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vmg•5/16/24, 3:23 PM

I'm trying to work with local development mode and get the following error:

[wrangler:err] SyntaxError: "undefined" is not valid JSON

[wrangler:err] SyntaxError: "undefined" is not valid JSON

[wrangler:err] SyntaxError: "undefined" is not valid JSON

[wrangler:err] SyntaxError: "undefined" is not valid JSON

I think it might be missing this bug fix?

https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-sdk/issues/5658

GitHub

🐛 BUG: requests from workers to DOs (in miniflare) broken in wrangl...

Which Cloudflare product(s) does this pertain to? Wrangler core, Miniflare What version(s) of the tool(s) are you using? 3.51.2 [wrangler] What version of Node are you using? v18.19.0 What operatin...

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rob•5/20/24, 4:18 PM

on WfP can you use native RPC to talk to other workers on the same namespace? do they have to be service bindings/workers? Just trying to clarify that aspect

Rrob on WfP can you use native RPC to talk to other workers on the same namespace? ...

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Beny•5/20/24, 8:58 PM

Yeah RPC works to the workers in the namespace

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rob•5/20/24, 8:58 PM

ty

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rob•5/21/24, 4:37 AM

also is it best practises to do 1 R2 bucker per customer? I Assume yes

Rrob also is it best practises to do 1 R2 bucker per customer? I Assume yes

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Sam•5/21/24, 7:06 AM

Only if you have less than 1000 customers.
Take a look at https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/reference/limits/

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rob•5/21/24, 10:45 AM

Interesting , I'm sure they mentioned here they could raise limits

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rob•5/21/24, 10:45 AM

I'm just trying to follow best flow

Rrob Interesting , I'm sure they mentioned here they could raise limits

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Hello, I’m Allie!•5/21/24, 10:47 AM

They should be able to

Rrob I'm just trying to follow best flow

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Beny•5/21/24, 3:40 PM

I think they'd prefer you used 1 bucket and give each customer a folder, but there are no technical limitations if you wanted 1 per customer.
See Sid's post here: r2

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rob•5/21/24, 3:40 PM

Yeah I don't mind doing one drive and partitioning g with "folder" prefixes per customer either

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rob•5/21/24, 3:40 PM

Yeah looking for confirm on which makes more sense .

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rob•5/21/24, 8:07 PM

My next question is, I see serving static from workers is discontinued? So if my users wanted to deploy frontend static htmk or something what would i do?

Rrob My next question is, I see serving static from workers is discontinued? So if m...

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Hello, I’m Allie!•5/21/24, 8:30 PM

Did Sites ever work with Workers for Platforms? The big thing with Sites was just that it had a package/upload tool(Wrangler) that was supported by the team. Everything it can do, you can build yourself

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rob•5/21/24, 8:44 PM

yeah it esbuild or something bundles ur frontend into like static assets? thne id do a dist or static folder and like app.servestatic on hono or something, but i saw in thier docs they said it's been dscontinued

if you use the same id it would use the same namespace if thats what you mean

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