Hi! I'm new to FFB. I'm wondering if the deceleration - stick forward effect is a realistic one or i

Hi! I'm new to FFB. I'm wondering if the deceleration - stick forward effect is a realistic one or is that art added to FFB? i'm just confused why the stabilators would change to nose down due to breaking. or is it the inertia of the stick pulling it forward? in that case isn't it a little strong of an effect?

Dentedend10OP•6/3/24, 3:42 AM

unfortunately I don't have RL experience

DDentedend10 Hi! I'm new to FFB. I'm wondering if the deceleration - stick forward effect is ...

walmis•6/3/24, 6:09 AM

It's not meant to be realistic, more of an 'art' added for immersion like various vibrations. Some may like it some may don't - it's always possible to turn it off.

RimanDk•6/3/24, 7:37 AM

Hey guys - does anyone have experience with the VKB Rev C adapter (mk4)? I have a Rev B with the pins and the contact patch and the disconnects are driving me insane. Was wondering if the Rev C works better or not? Seems to be a minijack configuration, which should be far superior, by the looks of it?

Wwalmis It's not meant to be realistic, more of an 'art' added for immersion like variou...

Dentedend10OP•6/3/24, 1:51 PM

I understand, thanks! Is it something to turn off in TelemFFB? Which setting is it? Will it affect in-flight as well or only ground handling?

DDentedend10 I understand, thanks! Is it something to turn off in TelemFFB? Which setting is ...

Number481•6/3/24, 2:00 PM

Interestingly enough, its called Deceleration Force

. Only activates while on the ground

NNumber481 Interestingly enough, its called Deceleration Force 😄 . Only activates while ...

Dentedend10OP•6/3/24, 2:00 PM

Thanks

I’ll check it out in the evening

RRimanDk Hey guys - does anyone have experience with the VKB Rev C adapter (mk4)? I have ...

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:04 PM

don't have my hands on the vpf adapter yet, but rev.c is a huge improvement over b

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:05 PM

still requires a tight grip fastener for proper install, and SCG is still tricky due to the plastic adapter, but MCG is much better

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:05 PM

no more need to apply so much downward force when installing

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:06 PM

Are you supposed to press down hard while installing with Rev B? Isn't there a risk of bending the pins?

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:07 PM

Thanks for giving me hope! I really want to switch to Rev C, but I'm euro-based and they don't sell them in Europe yet =/
Not going to get a whole new grip just to get the new connector...

RRimanDk Are you supposed to press down hard while installing with Rev B? Isn't there a r...

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:09 PM

yea there is risk, not supposed to be too much force, but it's always a balance and becomes a ever-worsening vicious cycle once deeper gouges manifest

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:10 PM

hopefully will be able to compare vpf adapter vs GF base rev.c later this week

Nnubbins yea there is risk, not supposed to be too much force, but it's always a balance ...

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:11 PM

Yeah... gotcha.
I did what someone here proposed back when I got my unit, months ago, and applied some sodder to the contact patches (because it was driving me absolutely mad). It helped... then, it didn't... the screw kept getting loose under vibration. I finally invested in some loctite, which helped for a few weeks... now, it's back...

RRimanDk Yeah... gotcha. I did what someone here proposed back when I got my unit, months...

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:12 PM

unfortunate to hear that

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:13 PM

I never had to replace my rev.b pads but if they told me to add solder I think I wouldve just asked for a replacement instead, that doesn't look like a viable long term fix

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:14 PM

I retrofitted my GF3 with rev.c, hate the extra 20mm extension but the connector difference is night and day

Nnubbins I never had to replace my rev.b pads but if they told me to add solder I think I...

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:15 PM

Well, as I understood it, it was a matter of the pins not making good contact with the patch. Made sense that elevating the patch by means of making a few small "sodder hills" would eliminate distance as a possible culprit.
And, again, for a while it worked. It was solid in the beginning. For some reason, it became more and more unstable, though, and now it's disconnecting several times every flight and I need to twist the grip some to get the connection back.

Nnubbins I retrofitted my GF3 with rev.c, hate the extra 20mm extension but the connector...

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:16 PM

That sounds great! I take it it's just stable connection now?

RRimanDk That sounds great! I take it it's just stable connection now?

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:20 PM

affirmative, no problems with MCGU

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:20 PM

on the other hand, I didn't really have issues either with MCGU on rev.b, only SCG

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:21 PM

been using MCGU with a quick release clamp for grip fastener, hope to keep do the same on vpforce

Nnubbins been using MCGU with a quick release clamp for grip fastener, hope to keep do th...

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:22 PM

Oh? What does that look like? Has it been good? I've only been using the default interface... with the aforementioned results :D

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:22 PM

Had the same issues on the GF.. just less because no shaking...

RRimanDk Oh? What does that look like? Has it been good? I've only been using the default...

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:25 PM

it's a perk of non twist MCG haha, only grip that can do it

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:25 PM

just using a threaded lever clamp to replace the grip fastener's screw

nubbins•6/3/24, 3:26 PM

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:26 PM

Oh, right! I get it!

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:26 PM

That's pretty cool =)

RimanDk•6/3/24, 3:26 PM

Cheers

Nnubbins just using a threaded lever clamp to replace the grip fastener's screw

Arno•6/3/24, 4:41 PM

I have a converted TM Warthog grip, I used a grub screw to be able to quickly release it from the VKB extension. Doesn't have twist either. However, I am contemplating modifying (3D printing) the twist base of my F14 grip to remove the twist and add a quick release.

NNumber481 Interestingly enough, its called Deceleration Force 😄 . Only activates while ...

Dentedend10OP•6/4/24, 2:20 AM

Thanks that was the one!

FFlynn (Phil)The Virpil Z-ext is great, and the Rhino gives you a ~10cm rise already, I found...

Stoned Kakapo•6/4/24, 3:41 AM

Do you find this extention to fell better than the standard goose neck? (Height aside).

HrEple•6/4/24, 9:28 AM

Also curious about the z-extension ve my 20 mm gooseneck.

Buckaroo•6/4/24, 9:51 AM

Folks,
I put my name on the ordering list for a base but I'm currently around 800s on the waiting list. So I'm considering the self build option.
I'd appreciate if someone could explain the process . I understand that the kit is supplied with motors and boards, but from where do I source the other parts or are there drawings/ files from which I can manufacture or buy them ? Is there options of materials, like metal or 3D printing and is the software readily available?
I appreciate that these will be obvious to some, but I've browsed the channel and still unsure . Thanks .

BBuckaroo Folks, I put my name on the ordering list for a base but I'm currently around 8...

Fierce_Fire•6/4/24, 9:53 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1145651561578647582/1146654912097292408

Fierce_Fire•6/4/24, 9:53 AM

there should be others

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/4/24, 9:58 AM

I was in the same boat as you are three weeks ago was considering doing my own 3d print diy as there are loads of help around but found @SR-FWinger[73]_David can supply a kit of printed parts and all the little screws needed he even assembles the gimbal for you. Now here I am three weeks later with a fully built diy rhino installed and working, if you can follow an ikea build instructions or LEGO it’s as simple as that, even the electronics are simply plugging to correct plug into the correct socket

VPforceBot•6/4/24, 10:16 AM

:package:

RHINO #0563 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•6/4/24, 10:16 AM

:package:

RHINO #0564 Has Shipped!

BBuckaroo Folks, I put my name on the ordering list for a base but I'm currently around 8...

Diverzant•6/4/24, 10:20 AM

At least you know which number you are, im still waiting for the results

Cowboy10uk•6/4/24, 10:25 AM

Well base arrived yesterday, ( after a 9 months wait, a lot quicker than expected ) plugged it in and had a play, and if I’m honest while I enjoyed having the FFB it didn’t exactly blow me away. However spent the morning today going through the settings said here by various members and actually reading the manual. ( that helps by the way ).

Dialed in the numbers and OMG, this thing is down right amazing. The difference between just plugging it in, and actually taking the time to dial the settings in is night and day.

Just the feeling of the Huey made me realise this was the right purchase, but once I got into fast jets and turned on the G effects etc,

. Mind blowing.

Tomorrow is setting up warbirds, I honestly had no idea how much I was missing without FFB.

Diverzant•6/4/24, 10:33 AM

I guess the FFB stick works wonders with the old gen airplanes without FBW

CCowboy10uk Well base arrived yesterday, ( after a 9 months wait, a lot quicker than expecte...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/4/24, 10:47 AM

This ^ is the feeling put into words.

Great job and Happy flying!

DDiverzant I guess the FFB stick works wonders with the old gen airplanes without FBW

Touch_Of_Legend•6/4/24, 10:51 AM

Works great for all but it doesn’t have as many effects for modern airframes like FA18 or whatever with FBW.

A lot of what you feel is similar to haptic pads to you get roadway rumble and gunfire echo and all sorts of effects you can fine tune (or disable) as well as just tuning how the “stick” feels with the various springs/dampner/inertia/etc type stuff you set up (also per module if you want)

So for some airframes like the F4 you feel A LOT of input (maybe to much) while others you just feel less but you never feel “nothing”.

You also get simulated G’s and just to much to even list but the modern airframes are still awesome with FFB.. just Awesome so imho you can’t go wrong with the Rhino no matter what your daily driver is

TTouch_Of_Legend Works great for all but it doesn’t have as many effects for modern airframes lik...

Diverzant•6/4/24, 10:56 AM

In that case I am gonna enjoy the F4 even more one day. Im generally more of a fan of the older birds. F4,14, A6, A7 etc. just need to survive through the long wait list

Diverzant•6/4/24, 10:58 AM

I was sort of expecting something similar woth the stick im currently flying on (Simple Simpit) with that like „mechanical raw“ feel of the stick, but it just feels like a loose steering wheel on a bumpy road

DDiverzant In that case I am gonna enjoy the F4 even more one day. Im generally more of a f...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/4/24, 11:24 AM

Yeah man as a former pilot it’s as close as I’ve ever felt to the “real thing”… Sure you lack so much of the body feel or that seat of your pants floating thing but as far as pressure and stick sensitivities and how it shudders and limps out at/near stall conditions… how it pulls forward with a heavy G dip… It’s really well done and they keep updating it.

I can honestky say the comment above your original comment puts the feeling into words in a way I’ve never been able to..

It’s THAT good so if you DIY or you wait. It’s worth the wait for sure

TTouch_Of_Legend Works great for all but it doesn’t have as many effects for modern airframes lik...

Cowboy10uk•6/4/24, 11:27 AM

The F18 effects though are great. It feels like it’s FBW, certainly not as mechanical as the F4 or 14, almost feels like it’s on rails just as it should.

What did stun me, is when I tried stalling it, I actually got the stall protection cut in, and force the stick forward to build up airspeed. That was a Wow moment. Never had that before with the F18.

The F4 and F14 is just Raw. The shaking, and weight coming onto the stick as you pull more Gs. You guys have absolutely nailed this.

Cowboy10uk•6/4/24, 11:28 AM

Am certainly intrigued on how it’s going to handle the F16 though mind you. I do have a force base, but I’m not totally in love with it. So I’m wondering if it’s worth swapping the stick over to this base, at least once I get a adaptor. ( forgot to order the winwing one doohhh )

Hi! I'm new to FFB. I'm wondering if the deceleration - stick forward effect is a realistic one or i

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