Recently i'm noticing my X-Axis being offset a few percent, using Protomakers DIY base, Virpil 20cm

Recently i'm noticing my X-Axis being offset a few percent, using Protomakers DIY base, Virpil 20cm extension + Constellation Alpha grip. I guess it's caused by the rather long extension + heavy grip? Whatever i set in the balance spring, i can't get it to properly center without using adaptive recentering.
Even if i rotate the grip bringing the brake handle over to the right side, it still feels like there is a bias pulling the stick to the left, away from center. Any idea whats wrong?

Kowalsky•6/14/24, 9:32 AM

New calibration?

Bbert Recently i'm noticing my X-Axis being offset a few percent, using Protomakers DI...

walmis•6/14/24, 9:37 AM

Try adding some static force to the Right

walmis•6/14/24, 9:38 AM

maybe there's some misalignment in the gimbal causing some force to the left

KKowalsky New calibration?

bertOP•6/14/24, 9:38 AM

Autocalibrate didn't solve it

Wwalmis maybe there's some misalignment in the gimbal causing some force to the left

bertOP•6/14/24, 9:40 AM

Completely forgot about the static force effect.. thanks

Could be the gimbal, i did notice odd sounds from time to time, guess i'll have to take it all apart again at some point.

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:14 PM

@walmis @Number481 There is an issue in IL2 where we cannot get full elevator with the Rhino, this picture is with the stick pulled all the way back, VPforce default configuration. How can I full elevator deflection with the Rhino? which settings do I need to change?

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:15 PM

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:16 PM

Same problem with aileron

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:16 PM

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:17 PM

In case of roll, if I increease dead zone edgeto 96% I get full aileron

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:17 PM

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:18 PM

But for pitch , even Dead Zone edge at 100% I do not get full pitch control

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 12:18 PM

II/JG7_Moto @walmis @Number481 There is an issue in IL2 where we cannot get full elevator wi...

Number481•6/14/24, 12:33 PM

I mean, as far as IL2 is concerned, its just an axis. The fact that it is FFB capable is irrelevant here. You should look at the real-time axis graph and the X/Y data in the Configurator app. I suspect that you will find your axes are not going to +/-4096 with full deflection and you probably need to recalibrate.

II/JG7_Moto @walmis @Number481 There is an issue in IL2 where we cannot get full elevator wi...

walmis•6/14/24, 1:12 PM

Post a screenshot of your settings tab

NNumber481 I mean, as far as IL2 is concerned, its just an axis. The fact that it is FFB c...

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 1:22 PM

Recalibration solved the issue , thank you

NNumber481 1.) Vibrating? Or oscillating? If its oscillating, thats likely caused by too ...

FarFutureFox•6/14/24, 5:45 PM

Thanks. I found out it was the friction setting causing the vibration. It sounds odd to me, but I guess I need to learn how the thing works. The pot had also been reset to nothing, after I reset the whole setup. I assumed it defaulted to master gain.

FFarFutureFox Thanks. I found out it was the friction setting causing the vibration. It sounds...

Number481•6/14/24, 6:00 PM

if you import the rhino defaults from the configs folder in the configurator director (which I recommend just to base-line the 'expert settings'), I believe it resets to spring gain. If you did a "reset config" that wipes out everything to firmware defaults as if you were starting from scratch configuring the expert settings on a DIY type device.

FarFutureFox•6/14/24, 6:03 PM

Yup, I did the reset config. This explains a lot. Thanks again!

II/JG7_Moto @walmis @Number481 There is an issue in IL2 where we cannot get full elevator wi...

amadeus•6/14/24, 8:32 PM

This can also happen if spring forces are turned up higher, but this applies to all games tho, not IL2 specific. There’s force compensation or calibrating with some extra buffer on each end of the axis

I/JG7_Moto•6/14/24, 11:25 PM

@Number481 Updated to the latest Telem and now I don't get any effects, I remember I had this problem before and you made a developer version for me that fixed it, no idea what the issue might be

II/JG7_Moto @Number481 Updated to the latest Telem and now I don't get any effects, I remem...

Number481•6/15/24, 12:08 AM

this is the thread. 🧰supportTelemFFB issue No cause was identified. You installed the dev version somewhere other than the regular version and it worked.

Go through that thread and check the same things you checked before. Do the logs look the same? Is it the same error?

Did you unzip the new version over-top of the dev version? Or did you do the in-place update of the older non-working version? If the later, and the log errors are the same, I suspect something on your system to be interfering with the proper operation (AV, for example). Try unzipping a fresh copy of the new version over top of the dev version you were using and see how that goes.

PiNKSH!T•6/15/24, 8:55 AM

@walmis hey m8, sorry for the ping. I've been having trouble with my winwing adapter tonight it wasn't registering any input from the grip but now my E-stop has stopped working, it will click down but will not cut power.

PiNKSH!T•6/15/24, 9:19 AM

can the board in the winwing adapter or in the Rhino itself be hurt if I was swapping the grip over while the e-stop wasn't working? ie. hot swapping the grip?

PiNKSH!T•6/15/24, 9:20 AM

now I'm paranoid that there was power on while I tried to swap the grip out

walmis•6/15/24, 11:00 AM

The e-stop and WW are unrelated. Firstly the E-stop doesn't cut power to the logic board. It's powered by USB and so is the grip (and the adapter).
The E-stop only cuts power to the motors.
Does the grip debug show any data or all FFs?

Wwalmis The e-stop and WW are unrelated. Firstly the E-stop doesn't cut power to the log...

PiNKSH!T•6/15/24, 11:04 AM

sry I should of been clearer there. When using the estop tonight while trying to swap over to my WW grip, which I was having trouble with, my estop stopped working. I'll turn things back on soon & try it

Wwalmis The e-stop and WW are unrelated. Firstly the E-stop doesn't cut power to the log...

PiNKSH!T•6/15/24, 11:22 AM

I'm getting all FF's in debug & the estop still isn't cutting the power

PiNKSH!T•6/15/24, 12:08 PM

got my WW grip/adapter working, it is really finicky & doesn't like being swapped over. The estop still isn't working & I'm really not keen on flying without it

PiNKSH!T•6/15/24, 12:09 PM

what sort of estop is it? what specs is it?

Fletch•6/15/24, 2:58 PM

These folks have some very similar looking switches.

https://www.langir.com/emergency-stop-switch/

Langir Electriclangir_admin

Emergency Stop Switch - Langir Electric

The Turn to Release Emergency Stop Switch provides you with a way to stop your ctuator instantly in case of emergency. All you do is press the button down and it will lock in the Off position, stopping the movement of your actuator. To put it back in the On position, just turn the switch clockwise to release it. Please be aware you may require a...

Fletch•6/15/24, 2:59 PM

That said, the safest bet would be to get one from @walmis directly or at least a mfr&part# from him.

Bob Bushman•6/15/24, 3:30 PM

It's almost like there is a commonly used symbology for e-stop switches.

PPiNKSH!T got my WW grip/adapter working, it is really finicky & doesn't like being swappe...

walmis•6/15/24, 4:11 PM

Glad you got the adapter working, for the e-stop you can drop me an order request, we'll ship one out asap.

Soy•6/15/24, 4:56 PM

does anyone know what connectors the pcb for the grip and to the motors?

Soy•6/15/24, 5:08 PM

also the connectors for powering the motor

walmis•6/15/24, 5:34 PM

Grip: 5pin JST XH 2.54
Motor data: 2pin JST PH 2.0
Motor power: 2 pin JST VH 3.96

NNumber481 Ya, thats a weird one. You are correct. Without TelemFFB, pedals should exactl...

J2_NobiWan•6/15/24, 7:42 PM

Hi, I finally figured out what was causing this weird behaviour... It was a problem with vjoy...

Even though vjoy was configured as a non ffb device, it was still listed in DCS.log as ffb device. And somehow this caused DCS to stop sending ffb commands to more than one VPforce device. Surely some users are using vjoy without problems, but in my case disabling vjoy made my stick/pedals/collective setup work perfectly every time. Could be it was just a screwed up vjoy install, but it annoyed me for sure...

Maybe something to keep in the back of your mind in case others have a similar problem. Cheers, Nobiwan

A. Palmetto•6/15/24, 10:14 PM

Does Telemffb work for BMS?

Soy•6/16/24, 5:44 AM

does anyone know the thread for the thrustmaster extension i found someone saying it was M36x2 but i printed a test and its not fitting on my base

walmis•6/16/24, 5:46 AM

It's M36x2, the tolerances need to be pretty tight or the nut should be slightly enlarged, since most plastics shrink a bit after printing.

Wwalmis Glad you got the adapter working, for the e-stop you can drop me an order reques...

PiNKSH!T•6/16/24, 5:57 AM

Ok looking at trying to make this virpil cable fit better to the ww adapter & I've taken the adapter apart & found that the pcb is bent twisted, I take it this happened when twisting the adapter tight? it still works atm. I'll look at gluing it in place maybe, or it might be better now that it can move a bit not & won't have forces on it when twisting the adapter threads tight

Wwalmis It's M36x2, the tolerances need to be pretty tight or the nut should be slightly...

Soy•6/16/24, 6:01 AM

thanks

James T•6/17/24, 12:50 PM

Has anyone else had poor print quality from VPForce?

Is there an STL for this piece so I can print it myself? Thanks.

JJames T Has anyone else had poor print quality from VPForce? Is there an STL for this ...

walmis•6/17/24, 1:01 PM

While it's not the prettiest of prints, it's certainly functional

Probably one from an older batch.
You can find the .stl here https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1198547200058347670/1252245760293208115

PiNKSH!T•6/18/24, 11:27 AM

hey there guys I was wondering if a grip with a (2041) Shift Register (5pin) would work with the Rhino? cheers

PPiNKSH!T hey there guys I was wondering if a grip with a (2041) Shift Register (5pin) wo...

TheAmazinGreat•6/18/24, 12:05 PM

Do you have a data sheet? Are you sure it’s not 4021? CD4021B will work for sure.

TheAmazinGreat•6/18/24, 12:07 PM

What is the grip?

TTheAmazinGreat What is the grip?

PiNKSH!T•6/18/24, 12:28 PM

Nah no data sheet. I've had my eye on the KG Iron Joy KG-12 style grip. They're in the hotas discord if you want to check them out

PiNKSH!T•6/18/24, 12:29 PM

they said it should work with the Rhino

Recently i'm noticing my X-Axis being offset a few percent, using Protomakers DIY base, Virpil 20cm

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