If i wanted to upgrade/make a FFB collective how would i go about doing that? Make a collective base

If i wanted to upgrade/make a FFB collective how would i go about doing that? Make a collective base from stratch or would i upgrade a base (like for example virpils offering) with a motor kit?

SStryker990 If i wanted to upgrade/make a FFB collective how would i go about doing that? Ma...

SamNFTY•6/20/24, 12:55 PM

I hadn't thought of that. What forces would you expect to feel through the collective?

SSamNFTY I hadn't thought of that. What forces would you expect to feel through the colle...

Stryker990OP•6/20/24, 12:57 PM

Well if possible the same as for example a ffb throttle stuff like AP/AI copilot/FCS inputs to the collective

SStryker990 Well if possible the same as for example a ffb throttle stuff like AP/AI copilot...

SamNFTY•6/20/24, 12:59 PM

Ok. I didn't know helo's had that, but I see how it would be helpful. Sounds similar to the A/T on a Boeing, if I'm understanding correctly.

Stryker990OP•6/20/24, 1:02 PM

One thing that i think would be nice is if ur in AP the collective moves since you might disengage the AP if you accidentally move the non ffb collective while a ffb collective wouldn't completely negate that, it would still mean that there isnt a significant difference in ingame and irl collective position

Stryker990OP•6/20/24, 1:03 PM

But honestly i dont know if thats even a thing that can be replicated or if i missunderstand stuff

SamNFTY•6/20/24, 1:06 PM

Another solution would be to disable input from the collective while AP is on. Honestly, I figured helo AP was only the cyclic, and maybe the anti-torque pedals, but not collective

SStryker990 If i wanted to upgrade/make a FFB collective how would i go about doing that? Ma...

Arno•6/20/24, 2:03 PM

Here's plans for a diy collective. Then add motor from descrition here on discord
http://hc625ma.org/simchair-mkiii/

hc625ma's cozy hangarhc625ma

Simchair MKIII

J2_NobiWan•6/20/24, 3:00 PM

Best thing about the collective is in my eyes the feeling of vibrations/periodic effects and the comfortable configuration of friction, inertia, damping and travel. I'm loving it!

mechsicko•6/20/24, 3:24 PM

Didn't have Moza entering the flight sim/FF space on my bingo card this morning.. wonder if it will be any good?

SamNFTY•6/20/24, 3:25 PM

Who's Moza?

SamNFTY•6/20/24, 3:25 PM

Never heard of them

SSamNFTY Who's Moza?

Diverzant•6/20/24, 3:28 PM

They make sim racing stuff

SamNFTY•6/20/24, 3:31 PM

Interesting. I'm guessing they've got some years of FFB experience

Diverzant•6/20/24, 3:33 PM

Oh definitely, they could potentially drop out a good FFB base

mechsicko•6/20/24, 3:45 PM

Before Moza jumped in the simracing scene they were a camera accessories manufacturer. They have a real logistics and manufacturing chain

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/20/24, 4:03 PM

Moza do mid level FFB wheels for sim racing and get a good reputation on quality

AndyHill•6/20/24, 4:04 PM

what's considered mid range in racing, mostly price-wise?

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/20/24, 4:06 PM

Mid range as id the force used think about 5-10Nm compared to some more powerful wheels that can deliver over 30Nm force

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/20/24, 4:07 PM

Think price wise they are around £500 for the base plus like sticks here they offer diff wheels

AAndyHill what's considered mid range in racing, mostly price-wise?

Diverzant•6/20/24, 4:18 PM

400-500€ base

Diverzant•6/20/24, 4:19 PM

R9 is pretty much the most popular base from them iirc at around 450€ plus the wheel and all the shenanigans you wish

mechsicko•6/20/24, 4:19 PM

They’re relatively new in the ff space, 2 years or something

Diverzant•6/20/24, 4:21 PM

Still top 3 most popular among them, so they must be doing something good

Diverzant•6/20/24, 4:22 PM

I mean its not Simucube but for the average at home racer its plenty good enough

Bob Bushman•6/20/24, 4:32 PM

And almost thrustmaster presence in brick and mortar stores, or well I can find their kit on the usual CE storefronts.

Bob Bushman•6/20/24, 4:34 PM

No need to check my bank for currency rates and do VAT tax estimations.

mechsicko•6/20/24, 4:36 PM

They're gear is decent where they've made huge inroads has been putting up compelling offers, particularly on the entry side of things. My guess is the new ff base will be low on power, like 3-5nm but also probably $500. If they're smart they adopt the M36 stem, which I suspect they will. In simracing they adopted the same quick release Simagic used, making their rims mechanically compatible with their competitor.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/20/24, 6:06 PM

Moza is basically the more affordable Fanatec but with a smaller advertisement footprint. Also unlike Fanatec you can buy their products in stores, such as Microcenter. In fact there's a very high likelihood it will be possible to buy their flight sim gear in stores like Microcenter.

This is a big deal for flight sim accessibility because in such a scenario their direct competition are Logitech and Thrustmaster, primarily. Simply by being IN STORES they have a wider reach to the general populace than places like Virpil, VKB, and WinWing.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/20/24, 6:07 PM

Also they have a few products that work on Xbox, so their push for flight sim may include Xbox compatibility with eyes focused on MSFS 2024 end of this year.

Jon (Bounty_V)•6/20/24, 6:11 PM

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