I guess I've always felt the force flatten out at the extremities with high gain, but I guess its ju

I guess I've always felt the force flatten out at the extremities with high gain, but I guess its just never bothered me. With the type of flying I normally do, I almost never reach full excursion of the controls.

i can't seem to completely get rid of it. At PSU=9... with Motor=29, it hits the motor max first, with Motor=30, it hits PSU max.. maybe if there was more granularity to the motor current value you could tune it so they peak at the same time...

Speculation is fun when the smart guy (walmis) is sleeping

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:31 PM

haha -- so yeah, when flying helicopters and stuff, i never notice it because to your point, never at full limits with full spring force. I do notice it in the F14 a bunch because they do something where the spring forces are stronger than the default ones we have in configurator, so i def notice it a lot more there

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:34 PM

and also in WW2 stuff, where you can often get into one or two circle fights

Number481OP•6/23/24, 7:54 PM

30/9 feels pretty good to me. Not perfect, but better... but I don't know if I'm playing with fire

(literally). Dropping the gain down to even %95 though seems to remove the flat spot completely and I honestly can't feel a difference in the max force applied.. just that its reached smoothly at full deflection instead of right before it.

amadeus•6/23/24, 7:57 PM

yeah -- i did try messing with the max gain a bit, which did seem to help a bit, but yeah, hopefully there's some sort of firmware cleverness there that can negate any need for stuff like this (since i think ultimately in game forces can end up applying differently and still cause the issues -- i.e. the F14)

Number481OP•6/23/24, 8:00 PM

If you set the slider at %95. No game can ever exceed %95, it would be "commanded gain" * "slider gain".

Number481OP•6/23/24, 8:01 PM

with no game running, its basically "effects tab spring %" * "slider gain"

NNumber481 If you set the slider at %95. No game can ever exceed %95, it would be "command...

amadeus•6/23/24, 8:02 PM

Oh I see what you’re saying

amadeus•6/23/24, 8:02 PM

I was tinkering with gain a bit earlier to try to solve that

amadeus•6/23/24, 8:05 PM

Very much appreciate you going down this rabbit hole with me though! Hopefully walmis has some more context/thoughts here when he’s back

NNumber481 I guess I've always felt the force flatten out at the extremities with high gain...

Hiob•6/23/24, 8:46 PM

I think the main problem here is that the gains are just too high. Reduce the spring gain by 5 or so and don’t hit the maximums anymore….. (or use a bigger PSU

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Oneill•6/23/24, 10:00 PM

Anyone in south wales who knows how to set up my system?

Soy•6/24/24, 5:37 AM

when i plug in my motors to the power and usb there is a greenish yellow light and it ocassionally flashes red they seem to be working but is this a problem

walmis•6/24/24, 6:02 AM

It flashes red when there's an operational fault, fault code is displayed in the bottom of the configurator app. Motor(s) needs to be reset to clear the fault from the "Debug" tab or a power reset.

Aamadeus Very much appreciate you going down this rabbit hole with me though! Hopefully w...

walmis•6/24/24, 6:08 AM

Force saturation is perfectly normal, for example we will soon have the ability to have very stiff centering (spring at >100%) at the cost of force saturation when outside the motor operating envelope.
In theory you can set the PSU limit to the rated PSU current, but if the PSU shutdowns during rapid movements decrease it a bit

Wwalmis Force saturation is perfectly normal, for example we will soon have the ability ...

amadeus•6/24/24, 6:26 AM

not sure i totally follow with regard too force saturation -- is that what you're saying happens when i feel that change towards the edge of the movement limits?

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•6/24/24, 6:38 AM

@Oneill what help do you need I’m not anywhere near wales as in scotland and just built my own rhino the setup is relatively easy if you follow the manual to the letter

Oneill•6/24/24, 7:03 AM

I’m completely hopeless with anything to do PC wise.
I’ve got the best set up I could afford and I can’t seem to get it right, I’ve set the stick up but there’s no feedback plus when I turn or put any input in, it just stays on that input until it crashes.
I’ve spent about 12 k on so far

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Just need someone to sort it for me, I was hoping it was plug and play.
I don’t have any use for a PC other than this sim, all my stuff for work is on tablets or my diagnostic stuff.

OOneill I’m completely hopeless with anything to do PC wise. I’ve got the best set up I ...

walmis•6/24/24, 7:12 AM

Which sim you need setting up? I probably could help you via remote desktop.

Oneill•6/24/24, 7:17 AM

Msfs 2020.
I’ve got it running but the display is terrible and I can’t get the stick settings right.
It’s a AMD Ryzen 9
7900X Processor

NVIDIA GeForce
RTX 4090
Graphics
32GB DDR5
RAM, 2TB SSD (M.2
NVMe)
240mm AIO
Liquid Cooler, 2x
200mm
ARGB Fans.
I did have a friend to set it up but he’s not been on for a while.
If you could just get the stick working for me I’ll pay for your time.

walmis•6/24/24, 7:18 AM

WDYM the display is terrible?

walmis•6/24/24, 7:19 AM

You mean graphics settings?

Oneill•6/24/24, 9:19 AM

Yes, the display on the vr is blurry, I’ve tried different settings.
That’s not the problem, setting up the stick I bought from you is.
Like I said I’m useless with PC’s,
I’m a mechanic so I’ve never really used them.

Old Prospector•6/24/24, 11:01 AM

Which VR? Reverb G2 us pretty blurry.

Oneill•6/24/24, 12:14 PM

It’s a PICO 4, used to be fine but after the pc did an update for msfs 2020 it’s all gone to shit, can’t see the runway lines until you are almost on top of it.

OOneill Msfs 2020. I’ve got it running but the display is terrible and I can’t get the s...

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 12:44 PM

Hey m8 what do you need help with re setting up the Rhino?

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 12:44 PM

I'm in Aus & not a PC wiz but maybe I can help??

Oneill•6/24/24, 1:34 PM

Yes buddy, im absolutely hopeless with computers.
I’m a mechanic plus I’m halfway through my pilots licence

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But this f ing computer shit drives me crazy

OOneill Yes buddy, im absolutely hopeless with computers. I’m a mechanic plus I’m halfwa...

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 1:40 PM

ok so what do you need help with? I'm guessing you have the Rhino there ready to plug into wall outlet power & the USB to PC?

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 1:41 PM

if you like I can jump into voice chat with you & it might be easier to explaine?

OOneill Yes buddy, im absolutely hopeless with computers. I’m a mechanic plus I’m halfwa...

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 1:46 PM

I'll be in voip if you want to jump in & see if I can help out

Oneill•6/24/24, 2:03 PM

I’m in work for the next 4 hours

OOneill I’m in work for the next 4 hours 😂

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 2:10 PM

that's all good m8. I might not be around by then

. Feel free to hit me up when you see me online tomorrow or whenever. I'll be happy to try help out if I can m8. Goodluck in the mean time.

Oneill•6/24/24, 2:20 PM

Cheers fella

OOneill Cheers fella

PiNKSH!T•6/24/24, 2:32 PM

no worries m8.

Majik•6/24/24, 11:38 PM

I've just started using telemffb yesterday, and when I try to load configurator profiles either on start or per aircraft, I get the following error

Majik•6/24/24, 11:39 PM

Profiles work fine when imported into the configurator manually

Majik•6/24/24, 11:40 PM

is this the library I need to install? (and if so, how would I go about doing that?)
https://github.com/libusb/libusb

GitHub

GitHub - libusb/libusb: A cross-platform library to access USB devices

A cross-platform library to access USB devices . Contribute to libusb/libusb development by creating an account on GitHub.

MMajik I've just started using telemffb yesterday, and when I try to load configurator ...

Number481OP•6/24/24, 11:44 PM

thats an error generated by the configurator software, not TelemFFB. I see it from time to time when doing a lot of testing with TelemFFB where I am constantly starting/exiting the app, but its by no means a regular occurence.

You can try this from CLI (assuming you don't have any additional VPforce devices, otherwise you need to specify the serial number)...
in a command prompt From the configurator install directory
VPforce_FFB_Configurator.exe -config path/to/config.vpconfVPforce_FFB_Configurator.exe -config path/to/config.vpconf

Number481OP•6/24/24, 11:45 PM

see if you see the same error or if it works. (this is the same command TelemFFB uses to push the profile)

Majik•6/24/24, 11:50 PM

So just tried, and running that gives me the same error

Majik•6/24/24, 11:50 PM

as I run in the CLI

Number481OP•6/24/24, 11:59 PM

Interesting... the error message indicates some sort of USB communications error with the device.. Yes, I realize it is working fine with the app, and its otherwise talking fine to TelemFFB. The only suggestion I have off hand would be to try a different USB port.. especially if your on a loaded up USB hub.. cheap answer for support, but thats all I got. Gonna have to wait for walmis to get proper support for the configurator app.

Majik•6/25/24, 12:39 AM

Thank you for the suggestions. The Rhino is on a fairly loaded up powered hub. I've tried different ports on two adjacent hubs with no other ports powered, but still the same issue. I don't have a cable long enough to reach the back of my pc. I also wonder if it may be the cable I'm using, it's the only printer cable I had lying around, and it's very old at this point, I've been meaning to order a new one. Otherwise, I will wait for what Walmis sees.

walmis•6/25/24, 4:40 AM

Hey, I received a similar issue via DM, this appears to have worked:

Wwalmis Hey, I received a similar issue via DM, this appears to have worked:

Majik•6/25/24, 5:31 AM

That appears to have done the job! Thanks Walmis!

radio_war•6/25/24, 7:50 PM

Have any of you y'all run into your computer not going to sleep with the rhino plugged in? If so how did you solve it. Ive looked most of the google answers and cannot figure out a solution. Thanks

Michael Nash•6/25/24, 8:37 PM

I have not had that issue in Windows 11. I do run it through a PCIE addon usb card, but doubt that is the difference.

Rradio_war Have any of you y'all run into your computer not going to sleep with the rhino p...

Bob Bushman•6/25/24, 8:51 PM

Sleep, I simply turn it off when not using it.
1: disable quick boot, so you get a fully fresh boot.
2: it shouldn't take more than 30 seconds to start it anyway if you have a sim capable PC.

That said, since I use my pc for other things as well, I have remote triggered AC switches on the sockets for the usb hub and rhino powered so it too is not powered or connected unless in use.

amadeus•6/26/24, 1:01 AM

i've heard it can be related to nvidia overlay thing and having devices plugged in that don't report a stable deadzone

Bozo VFA-86•6/26/24, 1:03 AM

if i repeat (FLY AGAIN) an instant action sortie...pitch axis goes limp F4E...going fore ant aft rapidly seems to wake it up again...telemffb running or not makes no dif....no stickys selected...oh yea...yesterday i re-routed the cable that runs from the joystick out of the rhino and into my realsimulator base so that i can use all of my 64 buttons on my realsimulator stick

I guess I've always felt the force flatten out at the extremities with high gain, but I guess its ju

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