VPforce Controls•2y ago

Hey Hiob, I use MSFS not DCS. but yes everithing is set properly in the VP configurator

Moe1875OP•6/28/24, 4:26 AM

regards moritz

WWill3D @walmis Hi Walmis. What's the chances of getting an auto calibration routine whe...

walmis•6/28/24, 4:26 AM

Hey, I'll research this, but in the meantime you can do something like this:
Let's say you're building a yoke and when powering it you need it to startup in the correct calibration. Now, let's say the simplest the position to startup is the fully forward one (for a stick it would be centered).
Then what you would do is to push it fully forward, reset the motors and check what the "raw" angle is. Adjust the belt/pulley so it's roughly 2000(+-500).
Next do the full auto calibration and store it.
After that, before powering on, move the yoke fully forward and it should start in the correct calibration every time.

Wwalmis Hey, I'll research this, but in the meantime you can do something like this: Let...

Will3D•6/28/24, 5:08 AM

Thanks walmis, I think I understand. But would this process be dependent on being only one rotation out of the middle rotation ? What if there were 4 rotations from one axis end to the other ?

smitty•6/28/24, 5:18 AM

Ah, 4 rotations shouldn’t matter. Because the full forward calibration point will be between 0-4096 and it’ll be happy at startup. Full back will be ~18000 or something.

MMoe1875 Hey Hiob, I use MSFS not DCS. but yes everithing is set properly in the VP confi...

Hiob•6/28/24, 5:56 AM

Ah, ok. Sorry, missed that. I have no idea about MSFS,,,,

Wwalmis Hey, I'll research this, but in the meantime you can do something like this: Let...

Arno•6/28/24, 6:31 AM

Would it maybe also be possible if the stick calibrates to 3800 full left to 3700 full right that the controller will remember that 3900 is actually a left defection, left of 0? So that exact centering of the physical motor doesn't matter as long is there is no ambiguity in position (because <360 degrees rotation overall)?

Arno•6/28/24, 6:33 AM

I guess how this would work out is calibrating to find the middle and then the max deflections from the middle.

SamNFTY•6/28/24, 12:56 PM

Anyone know how to get this message to stop appearing everytime I plug in my Rhino?

slowmover•6/28/24, 4:11 PM

Many of us have this problem

amadeus•6/28/24, 4:13 PM

There’s a setting in Edge to suppress this, however despite setting this, it does still happen unfortunately. The chrome version of this setting seems to work though, just an edge bug I believe (also, AFK so can’t check the exact setting, but people have posted about it in this server before)

Aamadeus There’s a setting in Edge to suppress this, however despite setting this, it doe...

SamNFTY•6/28/24, 4:34 PM

I hate Edge just a little more now

SamNFTY•6/28/24, 4:34 PM

I used to be about to disable Internet Explorer.....

Icebeat•6/28/24, 6:59 PM

Hi guys, I am using ALPS RKJXT1 on my new DIY grip and it has a problem, pushing in one of the 4 directions the center push button is also pressed do you know if there is any way to isolate or filter it using VPForce software?

Epyon•6/28/24, 8:42 PM

Hi all, telemffb is still not working for me. dcs log shows this error. can someone help me?

Epyon•6/28/24, 8:43 PM

relevant log

message.txt49.5KB

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:20 AM

I newly received Rhino and have problems. Window's USB controller setting detect Joystick, but Condor sim does not recognize any axis. In addition, Rhino FFB WebUSB Tool does not recognize my Virpil T50CM2's hat switch. How can I solve it?

NNaoki_NT3 I newly received Rhino and have problems. Window's USB controller setting detect...

walmis•6/29/24, 5:21 AM

Download the desktop configurator software, the web based one is just for a quick reference

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:23 AM

I also use desktop configurator but the results are the same.

walmis•6/29/24, 5:25 AM

does the axis move in the configurator?
Once you select the T50CM2 grip profile, the hat switch should "just work", do other buttons work?

EEpyon relevant log

walmis•6/29/24, 5:35 AM

Looks like it's missing an engine

Which AC is this, I presume the Hind?

Wwalmis does the axis move in the configurator? Once you select the T50CM2 grip profile,...

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:38 AM

Yes, the asix moves in the configurator and functions are working and I can apply those setting to the base. VPC's hat switch is just working as 4 bottuns.

walmis•6/29/24, 5:42 AM

Hmm, maybe it's an older revision of the T50 grip, which buttons light up for the hats?
Make sure the grip is selected and the hats should appear as indicated in the pic.

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 5:47 AM

Well, you may be right. My grip is a little old. I don't see that red arrow. Is it possible to edit a grip profile?

walmis•6/29/24, 5:53 AM

Could you select "Generic Grip (debug)" and copy a few lines of scrolling text from the Debug tab ?

Wwalmis Could you select "Generic Grip (debug)" and copy a few lines of scrolling text f...

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:00 AM

Here you are[14:51:24.900] * USB Connected
[14:51:44.857] Config received
[14:51:56.436] Config received
[14:52:02.523] Config received
[14:52:02.523] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.724] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.925] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.126] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.328] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.529] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.730] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.931] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.132] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.334] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.535] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.736] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.937] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.138] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.340] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.540] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.742] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.942] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.147] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.346] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.551] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:01 AM

Not that one. Here
[14:51:24.900] * USB Connected
[14:51:44.857] Config received
[14:51:56.436] Config received
[14:52:02.523] Config received
[14:52:02.523] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.724] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.925] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.126] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.328] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.529] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.730] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.931] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.132] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.334] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.535] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.736] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.937] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.138] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.340] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.540] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.742] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.942] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.147] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.346] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.551] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.754] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.949] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.155] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.351] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.553] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.754] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41

walmis•6/29/24, 6:01 AM

Oh yeah, it's definitely the older one

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:03 AM

That means mine is not supported?

walmis•6/29/24, 6:03 AM

Can you try the VPC WarBrd profile?

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:07 AM

No, it won't work. Only T50-CM2 accepts the brake axis, but no hat switch.

walmis•6/29/24, 6:12 AM

Yeah, I'll need to add the hats for the firmware update. It's kinda strange it doesn't register them.
Could confirm which hats register correctly, which don't:

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:19 AM

8-way+push supposed to be a hat switch. But other 4-way switch can be set as hat switches because there are "hat as button" settings. anyway mine is as follows

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:20 AM

Sam bottun is just a push bottun, not a 4 way switch

walmis•6/29/24, 6:25 AM

I'll kindly ask to fill out the buttons that correspond to hats,
You can fill directly into this google sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jyj5VUKgx8KYb_0rTCk0_NimaHjZFaoxHQcyMFH52UI/edit?usp=sharing

select "Generic Grip" before filling it out, thanks

Naoki_NT3•6/29/24, 6:35 AM

I filled the table. There are no center push function.

TrigaNZ•6/29/24, 6:36 AM

Hi Walmis, do you have a record of all the correct buttons for the Virpil Hawk-60 collective grip for the upcoming (soon) update? The problem at the moment is that the centre push lights up with any left right fwd back button push. Cheers.

TTrigaNZ Hi Walmis, do you have a record of all the correct buttons for the Virpil Hawk-6...

walmis•6/29/24, 8:23 AM

Yes I do, should be all good

IIcebeat Hi guys, I am using ALPS RKJXT1 on my new DIY grip and it has a problem, pushing...

walmis•6/29/24, 8:29 AM

You can wire the hat onto these buttons(bits):
left = 13, right = 15, up = 16, down = 14, push= 26

and with a VPC T50 profile it should work as Hat1

Wwalmis Yeah, I'll need to add the hats for the firmware update. It's kinda strange it d...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 10:09 AM

That diagram is for the newer T50CM2?

The original T50CM has a single push button on the thumb and a 4 way hat where the 8 way is.

Also I need to check and see if they are push to click (so 4 way with click).

I can try to find the Virpil page that shows it but there are some small differences between the old version and the newer one with all the 8 way hats and the 4 way on the thumb.

You can tell his is the older (but not the oldest) version because he has the Gray palm rest and button hats.

The next newer version was called a black out and had all the exact same features but has Black hats for the switches and a Black palm rest.

After that they made the newest version which is the photo you shared (has the 8 way and has a 4 way which replaced the single thumb button).

You can see it from comparing his stick with your photo.

I have that T50 so I have the links for the original stick layout… somewhere

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 10:10 AM

But for what it’s worth I’ve had zero issues using that old T50 with the Rhino you can even set up the flip trigger as a safety switch (as intended in real life).

Axis for the paddle brake works great as well…

Love the VP configurator for set

Wwalmis Looks like it's missing an engine 😄 Which AC is this, I presume the Hind?

Epyon•6/29/24, 10:32 AM

Hi thanks for having a look. It might have been the hind. I flew different aircraft in that session. The problem is that Telemffb's DCS status light remains yellow, no matter what aircraft I select. It seems intermittent, too. Yesterday, after asking for help, it was working for the mirage f1 in single player. 2 days ago was not working for hind, mirage 2000, f5 this was multiplayer, but another rhino user. in the same server doesn't have the issue Other times I test it in an instant action and it would work, but then it wont in multiplayer with the same AC. The error I see in the log is always the same, and it repeats itself A LOT. Let me know what info you need to troubleshoot.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:12 AM

https://virpil.com/en/blog/42-the-mongoost-50-stick-grip

VirPil.COM - VPC MongoosT-50 Stick Grip

The best devices for virtual pilots

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:14 AM

That is the original T50 grip.

The one he has and has the Gray buttons and Gray palm rest.

The next version they switched to all black hats and added a 4way (that’s the one I have).

The newest version has the thumb button from both the older versions and switched it to an additional thumb Hat switch and is still all black in color.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:16 AM

So I think… he doesn’t have 5 way hats? (4 way and a push)

I’m not sure if I do on the T50 (Black).

So I’m not sure it’s supposed to register as a 5 way

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:17 AM

(New version’s are all 4 and 8 ways with push like your original diagram)

That’s the Virpil T50CM2 mongoos.

Our older stick is the T50 Mongoos (no CM at all)

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:19 AM

Anyway.. same as I said before mine works every single thing perfect even the brake axis and every button works as it should… or as I assume it should.

I picked the CM2 profile and kept it moving.

I just assumed anything that didn’t exist on my stick… would simply go “un mapped”

And I kept it rolling

TTouch_Of_Legend But for what it’s worth I’ve had zero issues using that old T50 with the Rhino y...

Epyon•6/29/24, 11:34 AM

would love to know how you did it, because I can't get the paddle to work on mine. I too have the first virpil stick, and currently can't use the paddle because the configurator sees it as random button pushes. Walmis is aware of this.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 1:24 PM

Maybe our sticks (mine is the black out version of yours but still the same buttons)

Are actually different inside.

That part I have no idea about.

How I got my pinky paddle (brake) axis to work was by selecting CM2 grip and when you do that it shows a new slider on the main Vp configurator page with a “calibrate” button.

Press the button and pull the pinky and then let it go. Save and done.

So maybe there’s more than just the color that changed

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 1:28 PM

Here is the official page from Virpil for our grips.

(Not for the newer CM2)

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 1:29 PM

I’m not around the stick but I’m pretty sure… yeah no center push and for sure we don’t have an 8 way do we?

Also we have thumb buttons (your hats and palm rest is Gray. Mine is Black)

Hey Hiob, I use MSFS not DCS. but yes everithing is set properly in the VP configurator

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