I newly received Rhino and have problems. Window's USB controller setting detect Joystick, but Condo

I newly received Rhino and have problems. Window's USB controller setting detect Joystick, but Condor sim does not recognize any axis. In addition, Rhino FFB WebUSB Tool does not recognize my Virpil T50CM2's hat switch. How can I solve it?

NNaoki_NT3 I newly received Rhino and have problems. Window's USB controller setting detect...

walmis•6/29/24, 5:21 AM

Download the desktop configurator software, the web based one is just for a quick reference

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 5:23 AM

I also use desktop configurator but the results are the same.

walmis•6/29/24, 5:25 AM

does the axis move in the configurator?
Once you select the T50CM2 grip profile, the hat switch should "just work", do other buttons work?

EEpyon relevant log

walmis•6/29/24, 5:35 AM

Looks like it's missing an engine

Which AC is this, I presume the Hind?

Wwalmis does the axis move in the configurator? Once you select the T50CM2 grip profile,...

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 5:38 AM

Yes, the asix moves in the configurator and functions are working and I can apply those setting to the base. VPC's hat switch is just working as 4 bottuns.

walmis•6/29/24, 5:42 AM

Hmm, maybe it's an older revision of the T50 grip, which buttons light up for the hats?
Make sure the grip is selected and the hats should appear as indicated in the pic.

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 5:47 AM

Well, you may be right. My grip is a little old. I don't see that red arrow. Is it possible to edit a grip profile?

walmis•6/29/24, 5:53 AM

Could you select "Generic Grip (debug)" and copy a few lines of scrolling text from the Debug tab ?

Wwalmis Could you select "Generic Grip (debug)" and copy a few lines of scrolling text f...

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 6:00 AM

Here you are[14:51:24.900] * USB Connected
[14:51:44.857] Config received
[14:51:56.436] Config received
[14:52:02.523] Config received
[14:52:02.523] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.724] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.925] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.126] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.328] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.529] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.730] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.931] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.132] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.334] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.535] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.736] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.937] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.138] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.340] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.540] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.742] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.942] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.147] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.346] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.551] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 6:01 AM

Not that one. Here
[14:51:24.900] * USB Connected
[14:51:44.857] Config received
[14:51:56.436] Config received
[14:52:02.523] Config received
[14:52:02.523] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.724] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:02.925] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.126] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.328] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.529] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.730] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:03.931] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.132] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.334] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.535] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.736] FF FB FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:04.937] FF FC FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.138] FF FE FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.340] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.540] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.742] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:05.942] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.147] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.346] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.551] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.754] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:06.949] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.155] FF FF FF 54 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.351] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.553] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41
[14:52:07.754] FF FF FF 53 00 00 00 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41

walmis•6/29/24, 6:01 AM

Oh yeah, it's definitely the older one

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 6:03 AM

That means mine is not supported?

walmis•6/29/24, 6:03 AM

Can you try the VPC WarBrd profile?

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 6:07 AM

No, it won't work. Only T50-CM2 accepts the brake axis, but no hat switch.

walmis•6/29/24, 6:12 AM

Yeah, I'll need to add the hats for the firmware update. It's kinda strange it doesn't register them.
Could confirm which hats register correctly, which don't:

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 6:19 AM

8-way+push supposed to be a hat switch. But other 4-way switch can be set as hat switches because there are "hat as button" settings. anyway mine is as follows

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 6:20 AM

Sam bottun is just a push bottun, not a 4 way switch

walmis•6/29/24, 6:25 AM

I'll kindly ask to fill out the buttons that correspond to hats,
You can fill directly into this google sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jyj5VUKgx8KYb_0rTCk0_NimaHjZFaoxHQcyMFH52UI/edit?usp=sharing

select "Generic Grip" before filling it out, thanks

Naoki_NT3OP•6/29/24, 6:35 AM

I filled the table. There are no center push function.

TrigaNZ•6/29/24, 6:36 AM

Hi Walmis, do you have a record of all the correct buttons for the Virpil Hawk-60 collective grip for the upcoming (soon) update? The problem at the moment is that the centre push lights up with any left right fwd back button push. Cheers.

TTrigaNZ Hi Walmis, do you have a record of all the correct buttons for the Virpil Hawk-6...

walmis•6/29/24, 8:23 AM

Yes I do, should be all good

IIcebeat Hi guys, I am using ALPS RKJXT1 on my new DIY grip and it has a problem, pushing...

walmis•6/29/24, 8:29 AM

You can wire the hat onto these buttons(bits):
left = 13, right = 15, up = 16, down = 14, push= 26

and with a VPC T50 profile it should work as Hat1

Wwalmis Yeah, I'll need to add the hats for the firmware update. It's kinda strange it d...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 10:09 AM

That diagram is for the newer T50CM2?

The original T50CM has a single push button on the thumb and a 4 way hat where the 8 way is.

Also I need to check and see if they are push to click (so 4 way with click).

I can try to find the Virpil page that shows it but there are some small differences between the old version and the newer one with all the 8 way hats and the 4 way on the thumb.

You can tell his is the older (but not the oldest) version because he has the Gray palm rest and button hats.

The next newer version was called a black out and had all the exact same features but has Black hats for the switches and a Black palm rest.

After that they made the newest version which is the photo you shared (has the 8 way and has a 4 way which replaced the single thumb button).

You can see it from comparing his stick with your photo.

I have that T50 so I have the links for the original stick layout… somewhere

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 10:10 AM

But for what it’s worth I’ve had zero issues using that old T50 with the Rhino you can even set up the flip trigger as a safety switch (as intended in real life).

Axis for the paddle brake works great as well…

Love the VP configurator for set

Wwalmis Looks like it's missing an engine 😄 Which AC is this, I presume the Hind?

Epyon•6/29/24, 10:32 AM

Hi thanks for having a look. It might have been the hind. I flew different aircraft in that session. The problem is that Telemffb's DCS status light remains yellow, no matter what aircraft I select. It seems intermittent, too. Yesterday, after asking for help, it was working for the mirage f1 in single player. 2 days ago was not working for hind, mirage 2000, f5 this was multiplayer, but another rhino user. in the same server doesn't have the issue Other times I test it in an instant action and it would work, but then it wont in multiplayer with the same AC. The error I see in the log is always the same, and it repeats itself A LOT. Let me know what info you need to troubleshoot.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:12 AM

https://virpil.com/en/blog/42-the-mongoost-50-stick-grip

VirPil.COM - VPC MongoosT-50 Stick Grip

The best devices for virtual pilots

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:14 AM

That is the original T50 grip.

The one he has and has the Gray buttons and Gray palm rest.

The next version they switched to all black hats and added a 4way (that’s the one I have).

The newest version has the thumb button from both the older versions and switched it to an additional thumb Hat switch and is still all black in color.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:16 AM

So I think… he doesn’t have 5 way hats? (4 way and a push)

I’m not sure if I do on the T50 (Black).

So I’m not sure it’s supposed to register as a 5 way

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:17 AM

(New version’s are all 4 and 8 ways with push like your original diagram)

That’s the Virpil T50CM2 mongoos.

Our older stick is the T50 Mongoos (no CM at all)

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 11:19 AM

Anyway.. same as I said before mine works every single thing perfect even the brake axis and every button works as it should… or as I assume it should.

I picked the CM2 profile and kept it moving.

I just assumed anything that didn’t exist on my stick… would simply go “un mapped”

And I kept it rolling

TTouch_Of_Legend But for what it’s worth I’ve had zero issues using that old T50 with the Rhino y...

Epyon•6/29/24, 11:34 AM

would love to know how you did it, because I can't get the paddle to work on mine. I too have the first virpil stick, and currently can't use the paddle because the configurator sees it as random button pushes. Walmis is aware of this.

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 1:24 PM

Maybe our sticks (mine is the black out version of yours but still the same buttons)

Are actually different inside.

That part I have no idea about.

How I got my pinky paddle (brake) axis to work was by selecting CM2 grip and when you do that it shows a new slider on the main Vp configurator page with a “calibrate” button.

Press the button and pull the pinky and then let it go. Save and done.

So maybe there’s more than just the color that changed

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 1:28 PM

Here is the official page from Virpil for our grips.

(Not for the newer CM2)

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 1:29 PM

I’m not around the stick but I’m pretty sure… yeah no center push and for sure we don’t have an 8 way do we?

Also we have thumb buttons (your hats and palm rest is Gray. Mine is Black)

SamNFTY•6/29/24, 2:19 PM

Dunno if anyone's around but my Rhino seems to have lost the Y Axis. It's stuck at -4096 no matter where I move it

SamNFTY•6/29/24, 2:24 PM

Auto calibrate didn't help

SamNFTY•6/29/24, 2:32 PM

I reset config and that seemed to work

walmis•6/29/24, 2:52 PM

Hmm, the raw motor position is interesting. Did the belt slip by any chance, can you check the tension?

walmis•6/29/24, 2:54 PM

Also I recommend importing and storing the configuration from 'configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf'

Wwalmis Hmm, the raw motor position is interesting. Did the belt slip by any chance, can...

SamNFTY•6/29/24, 3:40 PM

I did hit the e-stop in game to try to reset it. It was at that point that it started. The reset worked it out.

SamNFTY•6/29/24, 3:41 PM

Did it go into some kind of protection mode?

SSamNFTY Did it go into some kind of protection mode?

Bozo VFA-86•6/29/24, 7:55 PM

not sure if this is related but there is a suspectged bug with the heatblur f4 where the y axis drops out typically on restarts of airstart instant action...happens to me repeatedly

TTouch_Of_Legend I’m not around the stick but I’m pretty sure… yeah no center push and for sure w...

Epyon•6/29/24, 8:46 PM

Yes. Everything you said checks out. Mine is not the black one, but regular one. I can't remember which profile I ended up using. It was between generic grip and cm2. I think the cm2 would read the pinky axis but as different button presses, rather than an axis.

EEpyon Hi thanks for having a look. It might have been the hind. I flew different aircr...

Epyon•6/29/24, 8:47 PM

I'd appreciate if someone can help me with this. It is driving me crazy, and it is a shame I can't use telemffb effets half the time or more.

EEpyon I'd appreciate if someone can help me with this. It is driving me crazy, and it ...

Touch_Of_Legend•6/29/24, 8:59 PM

For sure I understand your frustration and I would jump right on so we could compare screens since we’re using the same grip (minus some color change) but I’m away from home this weekend.

I know someone out there can help so hopefully they will pop up sooner than later!

If not try the CM2 profile and click that “calibrate axis”

It shows as random buttons until you assign the pinky axis.

The button is on the main page around the middle or so.. with I could help more.

EEpyon I'd appreciate if someone can help me with this. It is driving me crazy, and it ...

Number481•6/30/24, 12:17 AM

The error is on DCSs part, not the export script. DCS is failing to return any data for a basic call to the "get engine info" API call. Why is anybodys guess. Could be a mod interfering, could be another export script (SRS, SSA, etc), could be corrupted game files. That error message is more of a symptom than the actual cause though. There may be something in the full dcs log that would indicate what the actual issue is.

In terms of troubleshooting steps I would suggest:

Rename your Save Games folder. DCS will create a new clean one when it next starts up. You'd then want to copy the config and inputs from the old save games folder to the new one.
- Re-start TelemFFB. It will insert itself into the fresh export.lua and copy its export script into the new save games directory.
- Don't re-setup any other utilities that add their own export script setup to DCS.

If the issue still occurs after that:

Remove all 3rd party mods

If the issue still occurs after that:

Slow repair DCS

ddrake1984•6/30/24, 1:24 AM

Hey, my Winwing joysticks are not working atm, does anyone else have this issue atm?

ddrake1984•6/30/24, 1:26 AM

I have plugged the WW grips into my WW base and all works perfectly fine and I tried the VIRPIL grips on my Rhino base and all is working fine

ddrake1984•6/30/24, 1:26 AM

but for some reason my WW grips wont work on my Rhino

ddrake1984•6/30/24, 1:26 AM

I have 2 x WW adapters and I have tested them both.. so I am not sure if suddenly both adapters are now dead, or there is something else that is preventing them from working

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