Hey <@398113037053067274> - getting this screen with a Warthog grip, but the buttons work. With a Vi

AlexS · 2024-07-04T18:43:03.709Z

Hey - getting this screen with a Warthog grip, but the buttons work. With a Virpil WarBrd I get all FFs and no buttons. Any help|?

Hey @walmis

getting this screen with a Warthog grip, but the buttons work. With a Virpil WarBrd I get all FFs and no buttons. Any help|?

kaltokri•7/4/24, 8:32 PM

There seems to be a strange interaction between the axis curve setting in DCS and force feedback.
If I set the curve setting of the axes on the A-10C in DCS to 0, it will no longer pull upwards.
I usually fly with a curvature of 20 - 25, which helps a lot for Air to Air refueling.
I had a very similar effect in the KA50 when trimming. It always seems to occur when the axis is shifted in the neutral position.

nubbins•7/5/24, 12:24 AM

@Hiob i've intentionally set my Y axis belt tension almost as low as it can go (motor closer to pulley) without losing grip. It does help make the grinding less noticeable at the grip, but at the belt it is about the same and belt tension cannot solve the issue completely.

nubbins•7/5/24, 12:24 AM

Unfortunately I did not read, and Amazon said next thursday for the belts, not this thursday

so back into downtime the rhino goes

NNumber481 Generally speaking, the configurator utility is used to set the max capabilities...

Naoki_NT3•7/5/24, 2:44 AM

Thanks a lot for your clear explanation. Now I can setup my own configuration.

Kkaltokri There seems to be a strange interaction between the axis curve setting in DCS an...

SamNFTY•7/5/24, 5:30 AM

I think you want to have all your Rhinos axis curves at zero in DCS. Adjustments should be made in the Rhino software. Any adjustments in DCS will mess with the FFB.

SSamNFTY I think you want to have all your Rhinos axis curves at zero in DCS. Adjustments...

kaltokri•7/5/24, 6:08 AM

Sure. But the FFB Software does not have curves atm. I hope it will be implemented: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1098318539426889799

Nnubbins Unfortunately I did not read, and Amazon said next thursday for the belts, not t...

Hiob•7/5/24, 6:49 AM

I doubt that different belts or pulleys will solve the problem if I‘m honest.

Kkaltokri Sure. But the FFB Software does not have curves atm. I hope it will be implement...

Hiob•7/5/24, 6:50 AM

sure it does…..?? you can set custom gain and strength curves in the configurator!

HHiob I doubt that different belts or pulleys will solve the problem if I‘m honest.

nubbins•7/5/24, 6:53 AM

maybe i'm just being optimistic here. But if it's not the belts or the pulley sizing on either end then that leaves me with 0 alternative explanations

nubbins•7/5/24, 6:54 AM

unless it's to say that vpforce motors are not capable of running up to even 60% of max spring force. Which I somehow feel isn't the case, judging from what others are running here

nubbins•7/5/24, 6:54 AM

and pulley sizing also doesn't make much sense, unless every single person following protomaker/gadroc just never uses spring force past 50% ever

nubbins•7/5/24, 6:55 AM

optimism is pretty much all I have at this point. I can't keep sinking time and money into this thing if there aren't even potential solutions I can pursue

Nnubbins maybe i'm just being optimistic here. But if it's not the belts or the pulley si...

walmis•7/5/24, 7:22 AM

Have you tried spraying some silicone lube where the belt meshes with the pulley?

AAlexS Hey <@398113037053067274> - getting this screen with a Warthog grip, but the but...

walmis•7/5/24, 7:23 AM

Most likely the WarBrd grip plug pin(s) doesn't reach and make contact in the Rhino socket, have you pushed all the way in? Let me know if this persists, I can send you a replacement socket.

Wwalmis Most likely the WarBrd grip plug pin(s) doesn't reach and make contact in the Rh...

AlexSOP•7/5/24, 7:24 AM

Yes - really extended out of the grip and pushed fully home. Same with a RealSimulator grip

Wwalmis Most likely the WarBrd grip plug pin(s) doesn't reach and make contact in the Rh...

AlexSOP•7/5/24, 7:24 AM

Its the second WarBrd grip too

walmis•7/5/24, 7:25 AM

so the TM grip works, but others not?

Wwalmis Have you tried spraying some silicone lube where the belt meshes with the pulley...

nubbins•7/5/24, 7:42 AM

i don't have spray, but I have some superlube. Should I try putting a little on? But I thought the belt was not supposed to slip on the pulley, would that not exacerbate it

walmis•7/5/24, 7:44 AM

if it's silicone based then ok. Don't worry, with the correct tension lube wouldn't cause any issues.

Wwalmis if it's silicone based then ok. Don't worry, with the correct tension lube would...

nubbins•7/5/24, 7:50 AM

what I have is just a tube of superlube 92003. It's advertised as silicone lubricating grease. Sounds like it would work?

Kkaltokri Sure. But the FFB Software does not have curves atm. I hope it will be implement...

Hiob•7/5/24, 7:50 AM

You can also move the center point by altering the calibration values. I don't know what exactly you want to achieve, but I'm confident that it can somehow be achieved with the configurator.

Nnubbins what I have is just a tube of superlube 92003. It's advertised as silicone lubri...

Hiob•7/5/24, 7:51 AM

You have new belts and pulley incoming anyway - so I would give it a try if I was you.

Wwalmis if it's silicone based then ok. Don't worry, with the correct tension lube would...

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:03 AM

I put some on the pulley and spread it around a bit. Didn't make any difference.

Nnubbins I put some on the pulley and spread it around a bit. Didn't make any difference.

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:04 AM

Just a thought - how much current draw does the motor show when the grinding occurs?

walmis•7/5/24, 8:05 AM

From the video, it definitely sounds like a belt/pulley meshing

HHiob Just a thought - how much current draw does the motor show when the grinding occ...

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:05 AM

curr_x and curr_y?

Wwalmis From the video, it definitely sounds like a belt/pulley meshing

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:07 AM

that is the idea, but I'm not sure where I would go from there. To a different tooth # motor pulley? I'm just following what @Subsonic (Protomaker) 's guide prescribes. afaik no one else following that guide has dealt with this before. The other gimbal creaking type issues I can find plenty of troubleshooting solutions for, but not this belt issue

Nnubbins that is the idea, but I'm not sure where I would go from there. To a different t...

walmis•7/5/24, 8:08 AM

As a last ditch effort I can supply you an original Rhino pulley

Wwalmis As a last ditch effort I can supply you an original Rhino pulley

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:09 AM

could you just send me a spec page/size spec for it? just to double check

HHiob Just a thought - how much current draw does the motor show when the grinding occ...

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:10 AM

curr_y goes up to about 17A at max deflection, + and - in either direction, no weird behaviour

Nnubbins curr_y goes up to about 17A at max deflection, + and - in either direction, no w...

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:11 AM

then you are certainly not overstressing the Rhino.

HHiob then you are certainly not overstressing the Rhino.

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:12 AM

yes, on walmis' recommendation earlier I tried turning the motor+pulley by itself and everything was smooth

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

might be gimbal related as well since I know this one is particularly bad and it's going to be rebuilt with some new parts next week. Might not be out of the question that vibrations are starting inside and traveling out to the belt via 74t pulley

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

Sorry, if this is a dumb question, or was answered earlier - are you 100% positive that you have the right belt and pulley specs? regarding tooth profile and so on?

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

it is most significant at the belt but that makes sense

HHiob Sorry, if this is a dumb question, or was answered earlier - are you 100% positi...

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

yes, I've double checked with the guide, other people who built, and david's own rhino

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:13 AM

74t pulley, motor pulley and belt spec are correct, I now have 4 motor pulleys i've mix n matched at will

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:14 AM

HTD5 on both sides?

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:14 AM

yes

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:14 AM

ok! sorry - better safe than sorry

Nnubbins could you just send me a spec page/size spec for it? just to double check

walmis•7/5/24, 8:14 AM

We machine those pulleys in-house, it's based on the HTD5M spec

Wwalmis We machine those pulleys in-house, it's based on the HTD5M spec

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:15 AM

15mm width, 12 tooth, 8mm bore? well, width depending on the belt of course

walmis•7/5/24, 8:15 AM

official Rhino belts are 10mm, 12T pulleys

Nnubbins 15mm width, 12 tooth, 8mm bore? well, width depending on the belt of course

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:15 AM

that's what I use.

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:16 AM

Yeah, but it shouldn't make a difference.

Hiob•7/5/24, 8:16 AM

(the width I mean - as long both gears are the same size)

walmis•7/5/24, 8:16 AM

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:21 AM

@Hiob before you installed the gimbal in the enclosure, did the oval-shaped X and Y gimbal frames rotate freely and smoothly around the grip connector?

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:21 AM

I think mine was overtightened. My gimbal frames barely moved at all, took a lot of force to rotate them

nubbins•7/5/24, 8:22 AM

ie. the main nut, sitting all the way down in the core of the grip connector

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