Another thought is the adaptive centering is only 12% of max spring setting, can you give the user t

Another thought is the adaptive centering is only 12% of max spring setting, can you give the user the option to increase this, especially for those flying helos when trimming is a constant thing so the centering hasa stronger force and is quicker to retain the new center. I'd be happy to beta test. @Number481

RReed Another thought is the adaptive centering is only 12% of max spring setting, can...

walmis•7/14/24, 4:48 PM

Can you screenshot your settings/effects tabs?

ReedOP•7/14/24, 4:58 PM

Ive got a recent set posted on the discord just gotta find it.

ReedOP•7/14/24, 5:00 PM

https://tenor.com/view/boring-fun-door-stopper-gif-15958962981047409247

Tenor

ReedOP•7/14/24, 5:00 PM

Easiest way to describe is using the kiowa hot or cold start and have the scas and trim on. from starting position. take cyclic and move all the way to right or left and just let go. It snaps nack to center and bounces around until its stabilized. Easiset way to compare is the spring door stoppers youd flick as a kid.

ReedOP•7/14/24, 5:01 PM

I dont see it as an error or friction is to high, as I have had the issue int he past and we adjust my hz and it went away.

ReedOP•7/14/24, 5:04 PM

Current settings except i added static force back and changed limiter to 8x10 from 11.

ReedOP•7/14/24, 5:04 PM

ReedOP•7/14/24, 5:05 PM

@walmis

amadeus•7/14/24, 5:28 PM

You don’t need hardware trim with the Kiowa, unclear if maybe that’s fighting with the in game one?. One thing in general I would suggest is also disabling inertia globally like this

amadeus•7/14/24, 5:29 PM

In fact, as a general debug thing, might be worth disabling all effects, and see if that fixes it.

amadeus•7/14/24, 5:29 PM

Also for Kiowa special settings, what do you have?

Aamadeus With DCS, my personal recommendation would be similar to what I outlined above —...

rockerverb08•7/14/24, 7:19 PM

Do you have spring, inertia, friction, and damper enabled on the effects tab?

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:22 PM

i personally dont, i like to keep the stick a dead stick, so i can tell if a sim has taken control of it or not

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:22 PM

(i don't really play any games that don't have FFB support)

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:23 PM

and i want to add, say damper or something to a plane (to make it feel less springy) then i use TelemFFB overrides to do that

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:23 PM

basically what my effects tab looks like

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:24 PM

(i also don't have an extension, so opted not to use a balance spring either)

Aamadeus You don’t need hardware trim with the Kiowa, unclear if maybe that’s fighting wi...

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:30 PM

I dont use hardware trim in 58, thats an older pic but my current settings, minus the harware trim and static force.

Aamadeus In fact, as a general debug thing, might be worth disabling all effects, and see...

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:31 PM

I have done that and it doesnt change boinging.

Rrockerverb08 Do you have spring, inertia, friction, and damper enabled on the effects tab?

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:32 PM

I have everything enabled, but not stickied so DCS can do what it wants. these are my defaults for 60 mod. I never sticky anything.

Aamadeus i personally dont, i like to keep the stick a dead stick, so i can tell if a sim...

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:34 PM

The 60 mod doesn't have native support and the OH6 mod isnt that great. Only fly the 58 with native support, hence why I must use settings.

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:35 PM

I use teleffb for other setting changes, but let the vpforce manage my one profile and just turn hardware force trim on and off.

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:36 PM

so a settings will still apply if the game doesn't set it, and i'm not sure if DCS will apply things like inertia or damping, so just to be sure it's not an effect like thing would be good to do a run with everything turned off. All that said -- have you double checked axis assignments, to make sure you don't have another axis also bound that's fighting with your rhino?

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:37 PM

Yup, no double binds confirmed. I have tested with nothing in effects tab checked and still get the boing.

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:37 PM

also -- fwiw -- i wouldn't apply inertia and damper via the configurator, instead i would use telemffb to do it: because then it can detect which aircraft you are flying and apply appropriately (i think the hardware trim will still be necessary though)

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:37 PM

Ill try it.

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:38 PM

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:38 PM

@amadeus what does your settings tab look like?

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:39 PM

make sure you have something like those settings for the OH-58D

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:39 PM

Yup I use FFB Force 50

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:40 PM

Since my settings tab has 100 and effects tab is at 75 for default profile.

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:40 PM

for reference, here are all of my settings in the configurator and telem:

rockerverb08•7/14/24, 7:41 PM

@amadeus any recommendations for warbird settings?

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:42 PM

Do me a favor. Get in the 58. Hot or cold doesnt matter. When at fly and ready for take off. dont use the trim release and pull the cyclic as far right or left as you can and let go. tell me how your stick behaves. Or video it. If you are willing and have time. Thank you.

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:42 PM

Wanna see what others are experiencing.

Rrockerverb08 @amadeus any recommendations for warbird settings?

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:42 PM

it's been a minute since i've flown any warbirds, my configurator settings would be the same here, let me see if i've got anything going with the telemffb settings

RReed Do me a favor. Get in the 58. Hot or cold doesnt matter. When at fly and ready f...

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:43 PM

like in game? or like a video of the physical stick

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:43 PM

Both, but ill take either.

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:45 PM

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:45 PM

I am looking to see if you get the boing thing or its just me. This maneuver wouldnt be done in real life or in game for any reason so most people i have asked have never tried it to see if they get the same thing im experiencing. Also, adaptive recentering, do you think it would be helpful to have a slider to adjust what percent of spring strength it uses when active?

Aamadeus Click to see attachment

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:47 PM

Mine does not do that at all, its goes past the center and them bounces back and forth until it centers. It is not as drastric as it sounds but can make using trim annoying.

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:47 PM

Thank you very much for posting the vid. super helpful

ReedOP•7/14/24, 7:48 PM

So the only thing you have other than default is 25% damper in teleffb?

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:48 PM

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:49 PM

i also have these settings too, which can be a bit more sneaky

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:49 PM

but yeah, i think for the most part with telemffb -- i've turned down a bunch of effects, and added some stronger damping -- mostly because when i hold the force trim release, i like to make the stick have some resistance when i move it around

Rrockerverb08 @amadeus any recommendations for warbird settings?

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:55 PM

ok -- so been a while since i've flown warbirds in DCS, and in that time, telem had a big update and i think i yeeted all my previous settings around that time, so i've not really set anything up. I think the main thing i do, because i have all my configurator settings at mostly max level (to give myself the biggest range for effects), i just start a free flight with telemffb running, then just see how it feels to fly and turn things down or up as necessary

amadeus•7/14/24, 7:58 PM

(usually i end up turning things down)

RReed Mine does not do that at all, its goes past the center and them bounces back and...

amadeus•7/14/24, 8:01 PM

oh also -- do you have any curves applied in DCS to your rhino?

Check6•7/14/24, 8:17 PM

@walmis can you please help? My winwing adapter will not connect via the adapter. I have the F16xl by winwing. I think it's a problem in the adapter, it won't connect flush to the stick or the rhino. If I connect my thrustmaster stick with no adapter it's fine.

Another thought is the adaptive centering is only 12% of max spring setting, can you give the user t

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