I'm so worried moza is going to sour everyone's opinion on mainstream FFB. Hopefully it's just a rus
I'm so worried moza is going to sour everyone's opinion on mainstream FFB. Hopefully it's just a rushed product and not a lazy one
Jhttps://youtu.be/dGcaVr-4I68?si=MmZXmSwspEaXH7Gw&t=2137 timestamped he addresses Rhino comparison and points out where it is vastly superior (Telem FFB) and where all the various makers will need to really invest in to compete on the market.
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In this video I do a comprehensive review of the Moza AB9 Force Feedback flight sim base. From grip compatibility, heat testing, newton-meter validation and software, I try to cover it all so you can make up your mind of this is the product for you! The Moza AB9 is a new to market Force Feedback base for Flight Simulation gaming.
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AI think the takeaway is:
The king isdead live and well, long live he still!
The king is
AEven ignoring the early hiccups the Mozzarella seems to have (far too many for a product of that cost), it still won’t be close to the Rhino
JYeah nothing really suprirsing
JBut considering it is their very first flight sim product ever, I can be more lenient of its quality.
If it was someone in the industry for years like Virpil, it would be insulting
If it was someone in the industry for years like Virpil, it would be insulting
AI mean, still though
ANot registering additional axes (break lever, mini stick, etc) for a base that expensive?
AThat’s a bit weak
JThey did step back on the advertisement claims of working with any grip
Athe heat test wasn't very thorough
Aalso the surface temperature of the motor (housing?) isn't the interesting number
Aseveral minutes of (not quite continuous) hard pulling does happen if you for example practise dogfighting in DCS
Ahour+ of continuous pushing happens when you fly Dr.1 in Il-2
Athe motors do seem to produce fairly little heat, which is quite impressive, but we don't really know what that means in practise
Aalso a closed design like that without fans might have real problems dissipating heat if you ever do run into issues
Adoes the moza software give you temps and have they said anything about heat protection?
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AI’m really surprised that there’s no temperature readout in the software
AWalmis pointed out in the comments that measuring heat from the outside/that material won’t give a useful reading, so it’s really a matter of “who knows how hot it gets?”
Asurely the motors have built-in sensors and protections, right?
Xyou never get temp readings on any Simracing bases either tho
JThose never have controllable fans either
Xye i mean, Moza always overheats and throttles force
JAnd most don't overheat from long term use, so the concept of cooling doesn't enter one's minds
JAh, well unless you are on Moza then 
Xohh trust me, many does 
JI know Thrustmaster T300RS has/had cooling issues
Xall Moza products, Asetek, some Simagic
JBut that isn't FFB, which I consider to be in such a category
Xsome Fanatec also, most dire situation is with Moza tho
X(indicator that they kept same Quality for flight base) lol
MSo I know my position in the queue and my original preorder date and based on the stats above, I could get mine as early as October or November. How does the process work? Someone gets in touch with me when it's time to actually pay for my order closer to when it will be produced?
WYes. VPForce will email you and inform that your Rhino will soon be ready. The email has the instructions on what to do (fill out their online order form). Once that is done it, you will get an invoice after a few days. Once that is paid, shipment should happen soon after. I reserved a Rhino 1/25/24, got my notice to preorder 7/22, and it shipped 7/29 - a very easy process. Only bump in the road was me having to contact Visa to authorize payment (Since I didn't a history of buying stuff in Lithuania 
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1What are you supposed to run for amps on the main config page? My psu output defaulted to 4 but I have a 9a psu. I would assume it would be safe to put 9 there? What about for the motors? I have the standard size motors
TWalmis has a video on his set up page that shows how to do it and what he recommends but I forget what it is off the top of my head
1His YouTube? Do you have a link? Many thanks!
JIt doesn't give you temps or say anything (unless its in Chinese somewhere and I missed it)
I will admit, I didn't know about the IR testing on metal and that it isnt very effective (lesson learned). And happy to do more testing. I have flown with it for long periods of time and never noticed any issues though from heat.
Obviously more testing can be done and I am happy to try things suggested from others... its a learning process for me as I've never owned a FFB device, so was just trying to do my dilligence with what I did know and things I stumbled upon while doing my research.
I will admit, I didn't know about the IR testing on metal and that it isnt very effective (lesson learned). And happy to do more testing. I have flown with it for long periods of time and never noticed any issues though from heat.
Obviously more testing can be done and I am happy to try things suggested from others... its a learning process for me as I've never owned a FFB device, so was just trying to do my dilligence with what I did know and things I stumbled upon while doing my research.
RIt looks reasonably well built. I just think it will be disappointing on first impressions when people plug it in and start using it. This is it? This is force-feedback?
JI think they have time to figure out the software, i got feedback from them that they identified a lot of the issues i had and brought up. So hopefully things like force trim are just working in the next update (they claim it will be)
JMy hope is, on launch a lot of those issues are just solved, it seems like they should at least be able to figure that out.
I plan to do a followup for any software update i get prior to people getting their units.
I plan to do a followup for any software update i get prior to people getting their units.
BForce trim is pretty much the number one reason for ffb.
AInteresting to see the gimbal has a moving pitch motor design
JYa, first thing i tried and was dumbfounded by it not working
Ado you use curves in dcs?
Aif you have curves in use ffb starts doing all kinds of funky crab
Afor me the best stress tests were shooting down Su-30s in the F-18 mission and the ultimate test was flying normal missions with the Dr.1 in Il-2
JNo, im not a fan of curves
AI think there were options in the special tab for trimming, I assume you have the ffb friendly one selected?
JThis takes 1, maybe 2 passes though, doesn't seem long enough