it is possible a while in the future they might have some of the Rhinos features, but right now, its
it is possible a while in the future they might have some of the Rhinos features, but right now, its not even close.
Aas it stands today Moza is a glorified haptic feedback device.
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HMoza is new to the flight sim game. Brunner equipment is in actual flight schools and they've been doing this for an extremely long time and the software is great. Completely different markets.
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=Rino the same Moza and all them shadow of FFBeast )
HAgreed, the Rhino is extremely capable. I'm going a different route hence why I'm selling both.
HAnd FFB beast is a shadow of the Brunner CLS-P cyclic which is 100NM and certified for flight training. Not to mention its about 10K USD.
=cyclyk its not collective, ffb cyclic 100nm who needs that shit at home )
HYou would be surprised. Same could be said for the amount force for the wheels that have direct drive "who needs that shit at home" . There is a reason Brunner chose 100nm for their cyclic. Enjoy your moza, to each their own.
=Moza for children real men like me use FF Beast ))) direct drive on the steering wheel corresponds in terms of a racing car 13-17kg, 100nm if work hydraulic its not real
HWhy are you even in the Rhino discord then? 32NM isn't alot of force at all. My 10 year old nephew could handle 32NM turning wrenches in my motorcycle when we work on it.
HYes I know what direct drive is and the difference. I don't use race sims. I fly in real life and use sims. I'm very aware of the forces and I trust the engineers both mechanical and electrical at brunner what they did with their cyclic has the most realistic forces applied or can be simulated based on the aircraft for FFS Level D
=Same question, why are you even in the ffbeast discord? ))) in real Mi-8 heli on collective 5kg if hydro work.
IIt's a damn shame the FFBeast's potential is ruined by bad software. The output of the stick is completely meaningless if the software isn't worth a damn.
TAnd you have any reasonable arguments concerning its shortcomings?
IJust go look at your software and compare it to the range of effects TelemFFB can produce. There's no argument to be made. TelemFFB is by far the superior software.
TOf course there isn't any argument. I expected as much.
II won't entertain you any longer, it's clear you came here to argue... for some really odd reason.
TAnd what makes the software better? Abundance of unrealistic stick shaking effects I assume?
II'm very happy with my product, you're happy with yours. We can leave it at that.
TI don't think you know what "product" I am using. But I expected more, tbh.
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TThere is nothing odd about it. You're bashing a product and I'd like to hear some concise argumentation.
H@=БК=Antony [99] This is the Rhino discord..It's clear you think the FFBeast is the best joystick since sliced bread and good for you that it works. I didn't know a flight sim and 32NM makes someone a real man. That's pretty funny...
IDon't give them any attention. Just your average Russian trolls. I didn't even realize it was two separate people at first with how comically similar they were acting.
TSomething comical about my legitimate questions?
TI asked a pretty simple question in response to your statement that ffbeast is "bad software". Can't say I got a satisfactory reply.
HIt's clear that anyone that wants to find the short comings of a product is to simply go to the products discord and glance at the discussions specifically the tech support section and that's were all the short comings are exposed. No needs to explain it to anyone.
=you dont have arguments but we russian trolls. good logics.
IExactly. They're not worth an ounce of your energy.
TExcept you aren't on FFBeast discord. Which kinda invalidates the argument. What I am trying to figure out is why you're so butthurt about it.
HIce dosen't need to give anyone a response. He knows the short comings based on his own experiences and if you look in the discord the users speak about it. Ice dosen't need to do any research for you or answer any questions.
=are you his lawyer?
he said it was better, he was asked, than
he said it was better, he was asked, than
HMaybe he left because he saw what I saw. People mentioning the software needs more work. As long as people are happy with the product they choose thats all that matters.
IWhat the Russian trolls don't know is that I was on that Discord and did extensive research on both products before making an informed purchase for myself and recommendation to my brother for a FFB stick.
TSo are you implying he compared the products and has first hand experience with both? Pretty sure that's false. Obviously agressive about it too. Any reason for that?
HI did the same. They have great hardware for sure but the software is under developed hence why I didn't buy one.
IYep. Now for real, just don't reply to them. The game they're playing is obvious. Re-engage chill VPForce Discord vibes.
HPerhaps he did but one does not need a physical product to gather research about software.
TAnd what software doesn't need more work? DCS itself is a trainwreck of a sim and has been for a long long time. Yet it has hordes of adamant fans willing to throw money at every preorder ED throws at them.
=I haven't read more bullshit yet, how old are you, 15 ?
HI don't use DCS. People throw money at all kinds of products we all know this.
TThat's kinda ridiculous, tbh. You absolutely need to gave the hardware and see how the system works as a whole to form an informed opinion.
HNo you do not. Other people have already spoken about it who purchased the unit and have physically used it. There are people who have both the Rhino and FFBeast and you read about both sides.
TI am ok people throwing money at all sorts of stuff. But bashing a product for no reason and being aggressive when asked for reasons? Pretty meh...
HI agree there is no reason to be aggressive. A product is a product but one can draw their own conclusions if they wish based on other people's experiences. That's actually intelligently because the 1st iteration of anything is rarely remarkable.
=@joedreamliner787
also insult people based on their nationality, calling them trolls, although he himself started this conversation about software
also insult people based on their nationality, calling them trolls, although he himself started this conversation about software
TI am sorry, there is nothing intelligent in that exchange. Dude bashed the product, didn't mention any particular critical issues with it and jumped to conclusions based on what exactly? You're grasping at straws here...
MHave yet to see a flight sim perspective, but this guy is enamoured with it for sim racing
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PM8 no one is going to care about what you have to say if you are here just trying to be edgy & rip on the Rhino telling us how much better what you have is. Did you design & create you own FFB device from scratch like the Rhino or FFBeast or the Laserwing? No you came along & got to choose what pre designed base suited you best & went with that one.
Moza was not a very well thought out product, they recently stated they want to concentrate first on the side stick ability/compatibility of the base, a frigging ffb as a side stick why? Why not make it a fssb they have the experience from their brake sensors. Their software is just ridiculously lite atm & as was stated more of a glorified haptic device. The whole thing from the base & their idea of implementation to the software just seems like they didn't really think it through much before committing to a pre order state & reviews. It seriously seems like they didn't even talk to someone who plays flight sims.
Moza was not a very well thought out product, they recently stated they want to concentrate first on the side stick ability/compatibility of the base, a frigging ffb as a side stick why? Why not make it a fssb they have the experience from their brake sensors. Their software is just ridiculously lite atm & as was stated more of a glorified haptic device. The whole thing from the base & their idea of implementation to the software just seems like they didn't really think it through much before committing to a pre order state & reviews. It seriously seems like they didn't even talk to someone who plays flight sims.