Hey, If you haven't already, fill out the order form - http://order.vpforce.eu - You should have rec
Hey, If you haven't already, fill out the order form - http://order.vpforce.eu - You should have received an invitation to order already 
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[Yeah, the only feeling in the F-4 are bobweights on the pitch axis. The F-4 has a artificial feel system for pitch.
The roll axis has a Constant Spring load. There is no real feedback from the control surfaces.
In terms of the F-4, the overall forces are made a bit weak for use with the rhino.
Best way to solve the slippery feeling is to go to DCS special option and have a look in the F-4 options.
You can turn up FFB up to 500% for roll/pitch.
Mine are set so Roll 280% and pitch 190%.
This all with 95% spring set in VPconfig
The roll axis has a Constant Spring load. There is no real feedback from the control surfaces.
In terms of the F-4, the overall forces are made a bit weak for use with the rhino.
Best way to solve the slippery feeling is to go to DCS special option and have a look in the F-4 options.
You can turn up FFB up to 500% for roll/pitch.
Mine are set so Roll 280% and pitch 190%.
This all with 95% spring set in VPconfig
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LGreat feedback thanks mate, Ok will have a play with those settings
LYou can try playing with Spring force pitch axis in vpconf too if sim settings are not sufficient, here is mine:
LRoll (X-axis) is like that by default
LThis is for Heatblur F-4E only as its feel system is special. TelemFFB can load .vpconf files automatically for each sim and aircraft and I recommend doing it.
LOh mate this is perfect thank you, I will give this a try as well
LAnd as always with the Lead Sled: trim trim trim...
V:package: 
RHINO #0663 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0663 Has Shipped!
RDoes the force feedback trim in the F-14 interfere with the autopilot? I feel like I'm fighting the autopilot when using the Rhino vs when I was using the Virpil T50CM2
AI went to the site yesterday and could not get to the url. I can get to the landing page but not to any of the sub pages
BWhat subpages? its straight to the order form.
R@walmis, I am actually trying to move back in the line, since I won't have any time to play DCS in the next 6 months 
GIs there any way to know what position you were in when you first pre-ordered? I pre-ordered in Feb. and hadn't joined this discord until recently. I'm at #95 in the queue now - just trying to get an idea of how quickly/slowly it's been going.
GOr is there a rough number of units being shipped a month?
AThe original position is probably tricky to find out at this time, unless Walmis kept records of that.
For a rough indicator, you can have a look at this: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1122080764163522571/1265701326478643322
For a rough indicator, you can have a look at this: https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1122080764163522571/1265701326478643322
οΏ½You can even turn it just 90 degrees so the cables come out the side... then you just Swap the axes.
R47 may be released today.
1They sure are dragging out the patchβ¦.
RYup of course. I wouldnβt be surprised if it didnβt drop today
1So far newy saying today
Afriday dump & run after a massive last minute crunch sounds like a recipe for success
AI see no way that could possibly go wrong.
"Btw, 2-week company holiday starting next week."
"Btw, 2-week company holiday starting next week."
RWhat holiday
Ajust a general dig at that kind of dump&run.
Bonus points if a dev does it prior to new year's seasonal holidays, so 'people can enjoy the new patch'
Bonus points if a dev does it prior to new year's seasonal holidays, so 'people can enjoy the new patch'
BWelcome, you must be new. 
AThere is a home page and the order form is a sub page of the main page.
AVpforcecontrols.com being the main page.
AEither way it appears to be fixed now
JNope, all fine in that department. Things go wonky if you go into back seat and then back to front, but if you stay in the front, everything except ACLS (HB bug) works fine FFB wise.
GThanks - that was helpful
Roh. THere's FFB trim box I think you need to check in the F-14 special tab
BAnyone here who tried the DCS Chinnook yet? Trying to set up controls right now, but i'm not getting any spring forces.
Sfrom what I've seen, there is no FFB support yet
BCan't wait to have it added in a few years then lol
CJust to clarify you mean there is no FFB support in DCS?
DFor the Chinnook. Other modules in DCS have FFB support (if I understand your question)
LSetting up controls rn... "cool I have 3 extra hats in my cyclic grip" 
... (glances left in the cockpit) there are SEVEN hats in Hook's collective thrust lever and there's another grip with even more hats next to it
"I need a new collective 
or two "
... (glances left in the cockpit) there are SEVEN hats in Hook's "I need a new collective or two "LTelemFFB has basic support whatever it means, I'll test spring forces now
TUsing the trim button doubles the trim asked for instead of holding current position.
LSo you're getting a centering force? I couldn't figure it out yet.
TA bit, not as much as other choppers. The trim doubling is annoying.
RI am barly getting any centering force and the double trim is crap.
SI think double trim is a problem with cyclic that trim and goes to center position.
NThe only way is to not bind the trim button in the game (it only understands sprung joystick logic) and then use either the hardware trim in configurator or, if you are using it, the hardware trim in TelemFFB.
If you have the trim button bound in the game it will double the inputs since it expects the joystick to be sprung and thinks you are going to let the stick go back to center after you have pushed the trim button.
If you have the trim button bound in the game it will double the inputs since it expects the joystick to be sprung and thinks you are going to let the stick go back to center after you have pushed the trim button.
SEnjoy your vacation! 
RYup. Iβll use override trim for now
SOkay im honestly confus: what do i need on and what off to get a working trim release in telem for the hook right now?
SIt currently works as having no spring would like to have spring force and using the trim release to force trim
NDelete the trim binding in the game... that will only work for sprung joysticks that always return to center as you've seen (regardless of the trim mode you select in its special settings).
If you're using TelemFFB, enable the Override Spring and the Hardware force trim options. Then bind your button for Trim Release (and optionally, Trim reset +hats).
If you're using TelemFFB, enable the Override Spring and the Hardware force trim options. Then bind your button for Trim Release (and optionally, Trim reset +hats).
SOooh the Override has a subsection didnt even know that :MurmKek: