I'm curious if anyone else has had issues with centering of the sick and what they've done to resolv

I'm curious if anyone else has had issues with centering of the sick and what they've done to resolve it? I've had the base for almost a year.

- I've tried balance spring adjustments
- I've tried static force
- tried static force and balance spring together

I have an extension with a decent offset so it's not naturally balanced. Ultimately whatever setting I try, it won't hold a tight center. It's always off, and based on its previous movement direction it's off by a different amount. This causes lots of issues when trimming, especially force trim in helicopters. I've fiddled with this so many times, but I almost never get consistent behaviors. Especially after recalibrating. I'm pretty lost at this point. Any ideas or help would be grateful.

JJIGGAwest I'm curious if anyone else has had issues with centering of the sick and what th...

walmis•8/11/24, 3:49 PM

Did you try balance spring + adaptive recentering?

Wwalmis Did you try balance spring + adaptive recentering?

JIGGAwestOP•8/11/24, 5:19 PM

yes, I can't get balance spring to do anything consistent either. Adaptive recentering is a bit slow and throws off the trim.

Stryker990•8/11/24, 9:03 PM

okay sometimes when something happens (game crash or something) the rhino does get proper FFB effects (it doesnt have any spring effect for example) and some said reseting effects in telem helps but for me in most cases only restarting the PC helps any tips on this? disregard in this case i was dumb and turned the spring force to 0% via pot#1 no wonder there is no effect >.>

WhiteHawk77•8/11/24, 10:54 PM

What’s the distance between gimbal centre and grip connector? I’m trying to work out how long of an extension I want to get for my mounting setup that will roughly match my Virpil CM3 with 200mm extension plus Z-extension that adds about another 100mm. Cheers.

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[OR] SerGeant•8/11/24, 10:55 PM

Ca. 165mm

JJIGGAwest yes, I can't get balance spring to do anything consistent either. Adaptive recen...

Reed•8/11/24, 11:36 PM

I used balance spring, and the data of centering and added a little bit of a gain curve to the spring effects and now works pretty good. I’m still having issues with my horizontal wigging out when going through ETL so I’ve had to turn my ETL down to like 5% in teleffb

Reed•8/11/24, 11:37 PM

It’s really frustrating that my horizontal axis is having these issues, but I’m not sure how to solve it. It even doesn’t on the default config settings.

RReed I used balance spring, and the data of centering and added a little bit of a gai...

JIGGAwestOP•8/11/24, 11:54 PM

i tried the gain curve. But for what ever reason the stick goes bonkers if I add any amount of gain. It actually destoyed my extension last night the shaking was so violent.

Reed•8/12/24, 12:25 AM

I also experienced this but was able to just put enough of a dip to improve my middle strength

[[OR] SerGeant Ca. 165mm

WhiteHawk77•8/12/24, 12:54 AM

Cheers

VPforceBot•8/12/24, 7:14 AM

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RHINO #0664 Has Shipped!

Number481•8/12/24, 12:52 PM

TelemFFB Update v20240812

General

- TelemFFB window should no longer be placed off screen if the saved location is outside the bounds of the active monitors @FarFutureFox @Grale
- Button binds in TelemFFB now support PoV Hats when "use hats as buttons" is disabled in configurator (Thanks Walmis!) @amadeus

DCS

- Added rotor RPM and damage model telemetry for CH-47

DCS/MSFS/X-Plane Helicopters

- Added hardware force trim option for pedals. @SerGeant
- Can be bound to button from master instance (i.e. joystick)
- Enable "Use buttons from master device" in the feature options
- To bind to a different controller, use the loopback app (and set grip type in pedals configurator to loopback).

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/12/24, 4:14 PM

Hook update hype
Renovation might actually be done in the next month or 2 then I'll be able to fly on my cockpit

RoboGeoff•8/12/24, 9:58 PM

How does this option in the F4 special tab interact with the Rhino?

RRoboGeoff How does this option in the F4 special tab interact with the Rhino?

Anthony•8/12/24, 10:45 PM

Default ffb strength

RRoboGeoff How does this option in the F4 special tab interact with the Rhino?

Limitless VR & Simrigs•8/13/24, 6:48 AM

Mate those settings are a game changer, One of the crew on here suggested settings of 280 roll and 190 pitch. The default of 100% for both in DCS is simply not enough force going to the Rhino. The F4 always felt to slippery, now with the changed percentages its a dream and with heaps of force feedback. Those percentages can go as high as 500% each.

Anthony•8/13/24, 9:32 AM

Nah, it’s fine as is

Anthony•8/13/24, 9:33 AM

When you add dampener effects in the Rhino software, it makes it a dream

Anthony•8/13/24, 9:34 AM

I think the F-4 simply demonstrates how poor FFB effects are implemented by DCS since they only account for “spring” and nothing else

Anthony•8/13/24, 9:35 AM

Other modules just don’t suffer from it as much

Anthony•8/13/24, 9:36 AM

Upping the FFB gain just creates
unrealistic feedback which, while it can work, isn’t how the stick would feel in the real plane

Anthony•8/13/24, 9:37 AM

Just add 30-40% “dampener” instead and you’ll likely have replicated a decent feel of how the bob and bellows feedback worked in the real plane

Anthony•8/13/24, 9:38 AM

The stick definitely stops sliding around

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•8/13/24, 1:14 PM

Is force trim only for helis or can I use it in say fa-18 to push to correct attitude / speed and then push button To trim to that position like I could do real life in some gliders I flew with a spring type trim system button reset spring center

((41F) RAFAIR Dave H Is force trim only for helis or can I use it in say fa-18 to push to correct att...

PiNKSH!T•8/13/24, 2:01 PM

So depends on personal taste. Irl the f-18 is fly-by-wire so there's no trim like that but if you'd like to you can set it up in the config or the telemffb app to behave that way.

ameister•8/13/24, 4:17 PM

Hi - Newbie here. I am trying to set up my new Rhino for helicopter force trim but cannot seem to get my stick to center to the new position once I force trim. My settings and button bindings of my attempt to force trim are attached. Would anyone be so kind as to explain what I am doing wrong here? I was trying to upload a short video but it would not let me b/c of size. Essentially I was trying to demonstrate is that I can move my stick while holding the force trim button I have assigned and the center circle does not move away from the center to the point where I release the force trim.

Aameister Hi - Newbie here. I am trying to set up my new Rhino for helicopter force trim ...

Number481•8/13/24, 4:25 PM

Where have you bound the button? Do you mean the binding in DCS or the binding in configurator? You currently have "sticky" enabled on the spring setting. This will override the spring effect that is generated by DCS native FFB implementation.

You have button 45 bound in configurator as the hardware force trim. That button should allow you to reposition the center of the spring force. Because you have "sticky" enabled, the spring effect and button binding from DCS is not being used.

Suggestion: Disable "sticky". Bind your trim button in DCS.

Dracks•8/13/24, 4:43 PM

And don't forget to read the (really helpful) manual ! The part about DCS and helicopters is a good read! In principle, it's a good way to get started with the Rhino (and take TelemFFB too, which will help you fine-tune the settings).

NNumber481 Where have you bound the button? Do you mean the binding in DCS or the binding ...

ameister•8/13/24, 5:02 PM

I did as you suggested and everything works great. What a difference this makes, wow...Thanks very much for your help

DDracks And don't forget to read the (really helpful) manual ! The part about DCS and he...

ameister•8/13/24, 5:06 PM

Yes, I've been reading it but apparently I missed the points where you had to set the trim button in both DCS and the config tool. I interpreted it so that I would only have to assign the buttons in the config tool and NOT also assign them in DCS (so, I had previously deleted my assigned buttons in DCS). I know better now...

Aameister Yes, I've been reading it but apparently I missed the points where you had to se...

Number481•8/13/24, 5:07 PM

You don't actually need anything bound in configurator. That button won't do anything unless you either have the "sticky" enabled, or if you have no game running and the Rhino is using its own effect generated by the configurator.

Aameister Yes, I've been reading it but apparently I missed the points where you had to se...

Dracks•8/13/24, 5:47 PM

Don't worry, we all jumped on the Rhino and quickly read/understood

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Welcome to the club!

Touch_Of_Legend•8/13/24, 6:00 PM

Yeah she’s a special beast

VPforceBot•8/15/24, 6:12 AM

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RHINO #0665 Has Shipped!

Virus•8/15/24, 9:38 AM

Hi, I am considering on getting a VKB F-14 grip, but I don't have any VKB hardware, I know I need the adapter, and the black box, but on the VKB EU website (flightsimcontrol.com) I am able to find only the older MkI/MKII blackbox...Or If i buy the grip they include the blackbox also?

Haaank•8/15/24, 11:18 AM

Idk about the marks but the black box isn’t included with the grip afaik.

Haaank•8/15/24, 11:19 AM

Just an fyi, ppl really (and I mean really really) love the mcgu grip.

VVirus Hi, I am considering on getting a VKB F-14 grip, but I don't have any VKB hardwa...

TheBigBobo•8/15/24, 11:24 AM

Could you not just buy the virpil one instead?

Ithergames•8/15/24, 11:41 AM

Am I really this dumb? In the VP config software; I need to set the sliders for the effects I want (the % of max) and then I setup the effects tab? This is what default is if TelemFFB isn't running right? Say in DCS those effects are overriden by what TelemFFB gives me in the module? It's not clicking for me for some reason--maybe I need more coffee or someone to hit me with a shovel.

Haaank•8/15/24, 11:50 AM

So telemFFB either enhances already present ffb in game, or substitutes it if theres no native ffb support.

Haaank•8/15/24, 11:50 AM

IL-2 has native ffb support, in dcs it depends per module.

Haaank•8/15/24, 11:50 AM

F-14 for example has good native ffb support, so telemffb is just for certain extra effects.

IIthergames Am I really this dumb? In the VP config software; I need to set the sliders for ...

Number481•8/15/24, 12:07 PM

To expand on the above,
- Settings Tab: These sliders adjust the max capability for the intensity/strength of any of the effect types, regardless of if its generated by the configurator app or by a game/telemffb
- Effects Tab: The various effects (spring/damper/inertia/friction), when enabled, will start said effect on the joystick when it is "idle" (not receiving any overlapping FFB effect from a game/TelemFFB).
- As soon as a game/TelemFFB start an overlapping effect, it will take precedence over what is in configurator UNLESS you have the sticky checkbox enabled.
- Other things on the effects page like Gain Maps, Endstops, Balance Spring, etc are persistent. It is only the previously mentioned effects and its strength settings that will be overridden by a game/telemffb.

VVirus Hi, I am considering on getting a VKB F-14 grip, but I don't have any VKB hardwa...