Universal Blue•17mo ago

Hah I'm still fighting this. Between her temu addiction and having 10 different "coupon bars" malwar

Hah I'm still fighting this. Between her temu addiction and having 10 different "coupon bars" malware in her browser, my mother is like a living example of that one Friends episode...

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Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:23 PM

It's the "not quite power users but knows enough to be dangerous" that is have trouble with Linux

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:23 PM

Immutable Live Image?

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:23 PM

seems... not needed?

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:23 PM

The installer itself does suck though

CSW1984

CCSW1984 Hah I'm still fighting this. Between her temu addiction and having 10 different ...

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:23 PM

Oh ugh that'd be awful

CSW1984

CCSW1984 Hah I'm still fighting this. Between her temu addiction and having 10 different ...

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:24 PM

Ultimatum: Chromebook or no tech support from me

Aru

AAru The installer itself does suck though

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:24 PM

Yeah Anaconda is pretty

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:25 PM

As much as I'm not a fan of ChromeOS, it's perfect for users that have a tendency to accidentally shoot themselves in the foot with Windows.

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:25 PM

still a vast improvement over 30+ 3.5" floppy disks back from when I was a teen installing Slackware on my 486 laptop tho

Aru

AAru As much as I'm not a fan of ChromeOS, it's perfect for users that have a tendenc...

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:26 PM

I don't mind it, though if the US Gov't does antitrust chop up Google it'll be interesting to see what happens with ChromeOS

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:27 PM

ChromeOS is the closest thing we have to a mainstream Linux distro

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bq•8/15/24, 12:27 PM

what? No, Android

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:27 PM

Yes but I don't know how much money Google is directly making from ChromeOS and Android, I think most of the 'profit' from those is more from them funneling people towards google services/ads

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:28 PM

? ChromeOS runs full Linux apps, runs on the Linux kernel, chromeOS is basically a heavily sandboxed Linux distro.

Aru

AAru ? ChromeOS runs full Linux apps, runs on the Linux kernel, chromeOS is basically...

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:28 PM

he's saying 'android is linux'

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:28 PM

Ahh gotcha

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:28 PM

Android doesn't run Linux apps, that eliminated it for me as a contender

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bq•8/15/24, 12:28 PM

Android is literally a mainstream linux distro

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bq•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

it does run linux applications in a variety of ways

Aru

AAru Android doesn't run Linux apps, that eliminated it for me as a contender

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

eh you can proot in termux

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

I did that back when I used samsung dex

Kamquat

KKamquat eh you *can* proot in termux

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

If it's not supported by the OS vendor, I don't count it

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

to use xfce+x11+linux apps

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bq•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

have you heard of the true scotsman?

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

Samsung did support that for a bit, but backtracked on it

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

No everyday user is going to proot termux

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:29 PM

(Linux on Dex)

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bq•8/15/24, 12:30 PM

no TRUE scotsman would be unaware they were using Linux while using it on their phone

Kamquat

KKamquat (Linux on Dex)

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:30 PM

Yep, I know about it. Shame Google pressured Samsung into killing it

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bq•8/15/24, 12:30 PM

google's gonna bring their own desktop view

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

Eh

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

But basically I don't count Android since it doesn't support Linux apps ootb

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bq•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

implemented as part of Play Services like Android Auto is

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

its crap rn

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

I tried it (you can enable it in developer settings)

Aru

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Aru•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

Dex is better

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

Dex/ReadyFor/whatever that thing Honour uses are all more mature

Aru

AAru But basically I don't count Android since it doesn't support Linux apps ootb

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bq•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

yes, like I said, running the Linux kernel to execute ELF binaries doesn't make it a true enough scotsman

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:31 PM

Lenovo also has 'Productivity Mode'

Kamquat

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Kamquat•8/15/24, 12:32 PM

for some phones/tablets

Kamquat

KKamquat Immutable Live Image?

asen23

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asen23•8/15/24, 12:33 PM

let new user try also you could create custom image easily too

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bq•8/15/24, 12:33 PM

I think pretty much every live image is immutable

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bq•8/15/24, 12:33 PM

I mean, traditionally they have a read-only root

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bq•8/15/24, 12:33 PM

it should be easier to make a ublue live

Kamquat

KKamquat Honestly the biggest issue at the high end for *that* is 'But we NEEED CUDAAAAAA...

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bq•8/15/24, 12:36 PM

I think almost all cuda users are on linux these days, right? All the ones training models at least

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bq•8/15/24, 12:36 PM

LLM software targets Linux first and windows sometimes never

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bq•8/15/24, 12:37 PM

there are several markets where Linux dominates. Like model production, microelectronics/factory dev, web hosting, etc

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bq•8/15/24, 12:37 PM

gaming is a weird island far from those areas and it's really excellent that it's catching on there

Bbq there are several markets where Linux dominates. Like model production, microele...

asen23

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asen23•8/15/24, 12:43 PM

arent like 99% server run on mostly linux lol

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bq•8/15/24, 12:43 PM

yep!