Help please my rhino has started losing aileron feedback during flight I get a mid freq vibration f

Help please my rhino has started losing aileron feedback during flight
I get a mid freq vibration for about 5 secs then the ailerons go limp with no force at all
Vp rhino configurator shows a motor encoder fault
A reset brings back feedback for about two mins then same again

Hiob•8/27/24, 4:27 PM

What value has the middle position of the axis?

Hiob•8/27/24, 4:28 PM

I assume something wrong with the position encoder on the motor driver circuit. Probably something @walmis needs to look into.

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave HOP•8/27/24, 4:51 PM

I will check next time in on my rig and will open up to see if anything loose

((41F) RAFAIR Dave H Help please my rhino has started losing aileron feedback during flight I get a ...

walmis•8/27/24, 5:22 PM

That's probably just general instability, sometimes it throws encoder fault when it loses track to fast oscillations. Can you show your settings?

PPrometheus [Prom]yeah, when I push it hard down it works but on release it fails…not workable rea...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 5:36 PM

having tested if a ps2 plug is also a poor fit, it was…..so to resolve this I engaged QR4rigs to disassemble the adaptor and use the pcb in one of their extensions….at a cost of £50. A little bit disappointed tbh

PPrometheus [Prom]having tested if a ps2 plug is also a poor fit, it was…..so to resolve this I en...

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 6:42 PM

Walmis is back, you can try pinging him to help. He is usually able to troubleshoot any issues with grip adapters pretty quickly.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:01 PM

Hello everyone! Set up my Rhino today and have a bit of a strange issue. I noticed that (unsurprisingly) I have to rebind all of my controls, as although my WinWing F-16EX stick is the same as before it recognises that the base has changed. I copied the contents of the lua config files for my old stick/base combo in the hope that the controls would map over, and it seems to have mostly worked, apart from the trim hat.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:02 PM

It seems like the VPForce software is recognising the trim hat as somehow 'different' from the other switches, like so:

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:02 PM

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:03 PM

All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of the window, but the trim hat presses seem to correspond with this bit on the left-hand side

SScavenger All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:08 PM

speculating but the winwing conversion might be generic, have you calibrated in windows usb games settings?

PPrometheus [Prom]speculating but the winwing conversion might be generic, have you calibrated in ...

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:09 PM

Not entirely sure what you mean by that, sorry! Is that a program I need to open?

SScavenger All the other hat switch presses correspond to buttons on the right-hand side of...

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 7:16 PM

There is an option to do hat switches as buttons, may have got that setting swapped from original?

TheAmazinGreat•8/27/24, 7:16 PM

On the settings tab

TTheAmazinGreat There is an option to do hat switches as buttons, may have got that setting swap...

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:18 PM

That was it, thank you!

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:19 PM

For some reason, I had to check this box but only for the trim hat (Hat 1). The others worked fine by default!

SScavenger For some reason, I had to check this box but only for the trim hat (Hat 1). The ...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:20 PM

I see number 7 is lit, I had that too, couldn’t figure out if it is feature or a bug.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:22 PM

No, that's intentional I believe - buttons 1 and 7 correspond to the resting positions of the flip-down trigger and pinky lever respectively. They're bindable buttons

SScavenger No, that's intentional I believe - buttons 1 and 7 correspond to the resting pos...

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:22 PM

thanks!

PPrometheus [Prom]thanks!

Prometheus [Prom]•8/27/24, 7:23 PM

post if your LUA sets up nicely, it never worked for me, you must have the ‘secret sauce’

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:41 PM

The lua mostly works, but still not with the trim hat - I think it might be something to do with the fact that this diagram implies it's actually an 8-way hat

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:46 PM

So here's the issue: I load up DCS and open the controls menu for the Mi-24P, which has my controls from the WinWing stick/base copied over to the WinWing stick/Rhino base. Most of the keybinds work as intended, e.g. the depress of the trim hat is written as JOY_BTN19 which corresponds correctly. However, the up/down/left/right of the trim hat are displayed as JOY_BTN_POV1_U, JOY_BTN_POV1_D, JOY_BTN_POV1_L, and JOY_BTN_POV1_R respectively.

Scavenger•8/27/24, 7:47 PM

The VPForce software has instead written these inputs to 45, 46, 47 and 48, and does not recognise the diagonal inputs as buttons.

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave HOP•8/27/24, 9:36 PM

@walmis here’s my settings

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave HOP•8/27/24, 9:39 PM

I had the master gain at 100% too

Naoki_NT3•8/29/24, 2:01 AM

What version is the latest Rhino firmware? Mine is v1.0.16. Is this old?

NNaoki_NT3 What version is the latest Rhino firmware? Mine is v1.0.16. Is this old?

Hiob•8/29/24, 5:49 AM

no, it‘s the latest. you‘re fine

HHiob no, it‘s the latest. you‘re fine

Naoki_NT3•8/29/24, 12:43 PM

Thanks. I am waiting for a new firmware. I already asked Walmis to include my grip support.

NNaoki_NT3 Thanks. I am waiting for a new firmware. I already asked Walmis to include my gr...

Hiob•8/29/24, 1:55 PM

Yeah, me too. For the support of custom fan control.

Subtile•8/29/24, 2:00 PM

Hey everybody,
Since weeks now, I don't understand why my Rhino self disconnects while I'm holding it about 3/5 seconds during a hard corner while in Dogfight on IL-2 or DCS.

Subtile•8/29/24, 2:01 PM

It's very disapointing.

kaltokri•8/29/24, 2:11 PM

What is your amps settings in the configurator?

SSubtile Hey everybody, Since weeks now, I don't understand why my Rhino self disconnects...

Col. Sanders•8/29/24, 2:14 PM

That is not normal. Most likely a setting issue. Also what do you have to do to recover the ffb?

SSubtile Hey everybody, Since weeks now, I don't understand why my Rhino self disconnects...

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:31 PM

Check the telemetry in the VP configurator while holding the G and see if the Amps exceed the set Amps, if so you need to reduce the spring force a bit. When you overpower the max strength of the motor (which is easy with the wrong settings) it will quit and need resetting.

Hiob•8/29/24, 2:32 PM

Basically you want settings, that do not exceed the maximal amps when you pull maximum deflection with a given spring setting.

Subtile•8/29/24, 3:03 PM

Subtile•8/29/24, 3:03 PM

my actual settings

SSubtile Click to see attachment

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:24 PM

Spring 100 is too much probably. I drive mine at 75 or something (at most). However the interesting part is the telemetry left of what is depicted in your screenshot.

SSubtile Click to see attachment

Col. Sanders•8/29/24, 3:24 PM

Wow that is some serious spring gain.

Bob Bushman•8/29/24, 3:26 PM

Spring is usually overriden by pot 1.
Its at 100 for me as well but the pot is at 40%

Bob Bushman•8/29/24, 3:26 PM

But that part is cropped out from the screenshot

SSubtile Click to see attachment

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:26 PM

Without seeing the actual telemetry it's all guesswork

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:28 PM

@Subtile The math goes master gain x spring gain x poti (if set to spring). The result shouldn't be any higher than 70-80%, otherwise you will reach max amps before you reach max deflection - and this is the cause of the tilt out.

Hiob•8/29/24, 3:31 PM

You could also increase the max motor current to 30A. Your motors will heat up slightly faster under max load though. -> earlier engagement of the fan.

amadeus•8/29/24, 4:08 PM

Spring gain is most likely not the reason for the disconnects (I assume by disconnects you mean it does that beep and it turns off the motors forcing you to cycle the emergency switch).

The problem is most likely one of the lpf settings in conjunction with other effects

Subtile•8/29/24, 4:19 PM

Ok, I'll try some parameters

amadeus•8/29/24, 4:26 PM

What are your effect settings? Perhaps a screenshot of those

amadeus•8/29/24, 4:27 PM

(Also do you have an extension?)

Subtile•8/29/24, 5:44 PM

Subtile•8/29/24, 5:45 PM

actually it still "tilts"

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