Is there a Link in the support thread somewhere for drivers and installation instructions?
Is there a Link in the support thread somewhere for drivers and installation instructions?
NInitial setup is all pretty straight forward.. suggest starting with the manual: https://vpforce.eu/downloads/VPforce_Rhino_Manual.pdf
VJust flew the DCS P-51 with default Rhino setting (no telemffb yet) and it is great; stick does follow trim correctly and the added feel makes gun tracking so much easier! But I still think the P-51 flight model does not have enough trim effect for speed changes; there is really very little change between landing config and roaring along at 400 mph. But I can live with that and perhaps telemffb makes it better.
VSounds like I don't need adaptive with my setup, short 5cm extension and a light F-16ish grip.
VMy experience with pre-fbw jets (T-37/38/F-4/F-15) is that the stick moves a lot fore and aft with trim changes if you trim out the stick forces. The Pawnee and my glider (with spring-biased elevator trim) also result in a significant stick position change at different speeds. Super Cub, with a trimming horizontal tail, moved some, probably because the trimmed elevator (and stick) position moved with the new "trim" position of the stab - but the difference was (I think, it's been a few years) less that with the spring trim in the Pawnee. It is fun discovering how the DCS FMs model this effect. Perhaps my post-USAF career in fighter jet simulation development and testing makes me a bit of a fanatic about this.
CHave you flown the DCS F4? How does it compare to the real deal?
VYes (part time tester for HB, and "Vulture" in some of the training missions). It's not bad for this early but still has a few rough edges in the FM that we are working on. I'm really looking forward to setting it up and seeing how it works with the Rhino because the F-4s flight control system really doesn't play well with simple spring joysticks. But overall the "feel" is pretty close; in some areas the sim is easier to fly than the jet, in others its a lot harder. Patience, grasshopper!
CO man that's super cool. I skipped the training missions as a friend went through them and got me up to speed. I'll have to check them out.
I had a neighbor who flew F4Cs in Vietnam come and fly and he really liked it and thought it felt pretty good. But he hadn't flown it 50+ years.
I had a neighbor who flew F4Cs in Vietnam come and fly and he really liked it and thought it felt pretty good. But he hadn't flown it 50+ years.
一btw is it possible to set limits for trim following, in case it's not natively supported for certain modules/games? If I understand it correctly, trim actuator can only move the stick until certain limits on the travel in some aircraft, it can not move the stick to the end of the travel
Bmy rhino should be here on wednesday evening 
VHow could I cancel pre-order?
ABest DM Walmis, along with the registration email
V:package: 
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HI always felt that sims are mainly harder to fly (on a regular 2D) monitor due to the lack of depth perception and gut feeling for acceleration. Judging a flight path on final approach (without gimmicks like a HUD and flight path marker) or hovering a helicopter e.g. ...I have no real life flying experience whatsoever though. So maybe I'm completely wrong.
KThis is also my excuse.
HWell at least I know for sure that VR makes hovering a chopper MUCH easier! I still prefer 2D though.
KVR is far better in many ways. What head-set did you try and why do you prefer 2D?
AScreenshots and 2nd (/3rd etc) monitor use for random stuff would be common pros for pancake.
HWhat exactly is it better in apart from Depth perception and maybe FOV? I simply prefer not to wear a headset.
KI noticed that in cockpits with a lot of things in the way of seeing out (like F-14) having stereo optics lets you see a lot more as often one eye will have a view. And immersion of course.
KHead tracking isn't that good.
KHave you tried the Bigscreen beyond?
TI’ve only played on a Quest, but spotting and ID were almost impossible in VR in IL2. Flat screen is leaps and bounds better. The immersion was nice so I would just turn on object markers but that is usually locked out in multiplayer.
KWhich Quest?
TOriginal
KOh wow.... time for another try perhaps.
TIf I ever do it’ll be Quest 3. I can’t justify a $1000+ headset.
KQ3 is a good all around headset.
TThe VR space needs more competition in the $500 range.
KI'm all for it. But for that the market needs more buyers.
SAnd for that the market needs more cheaper sets
TCatch 22, because I’m not a buyer based on the price alone.
KTrue.
AThe headset is not the expensive part of VR, especially for flight simming, you need a top spec PC to drive it, more expensive than most headsets.
BYup, its telling that for dcs vr a 4080s is considered a budget option.
Is that because vr is an almost impossible task, or because ED consists of a bunch of drunk idiots that shouldn't be working in the industry?
Well you can guess my opinion.
Is that because vr is an almost impossible task, or because ED consists of a bunch of drunk idiots that shouldn't be working in the industry?
Well you can guess my opinion.
JBut they're removing single core soon and improving performance on multi core 
Surely that means I can use VR on my 3080 soon right
Surely that means I can use VR on my 3080 soon right V:package: 
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RHINO #0698 Has Shipped!VSo background, I've been flying aircraft since 1968, and sims (military and PC) a lot, with and without visual/motion/control loaders and now VR and FFB. IMO, VR is the biggest improvement - flying on a flat screen is a nice game, but still a game; VR makes it a simulation. It's not only depth perception, it's the one-to-one correlation to where you are looking as well as the presense of parallax which makes a huge difference. VR is better than the best military dome sim, and I've worked on the best; which is why militaries are going VR also.
JI love VR as well, the part that is way behind in VR is interacting with the cockpit. PointCtrl works well with DCS, but there are no great options for MSFS or Xplane (other than the mouse which is ok, but not ideal)
VRight now the main problems with consumer VR is FOV and the need for really good pass-through (MR) to allow use in a sim pit and for checking documents, etc. Also the PC horsepower; it's not cheap! But military users are pushing those areas, and that will trickle down to us eventually. I actually did testing on an MR full fidelity Tornado simulator in Germany back in 1993 (!) and it was amazing, but crushingly uncomfortable and the graphics were, well, basic. And now I have it all (except for MR) at home.
VBy the way I use a Quest Pro and with eyetracking and DFR it's amazing.
JI agree FOV could be better, I use the crystal and vertical fov is good, but I would love to have horizontal fov out to 180! That would also help the sense of speed perception quite a bit.
HI get all that, but for me to be sold, VR headsets need to become waaay more comfortable and the picture quality also needs improvement still. I‘m not saying it is bad, or that VR doesn’t have its perks, but it’s not there yet for me. Just personal preference - nothing to argue about.
Jlol, not trying to convert you of course. I fly without VR occasionally as well just to avoid the mess. It's sometimes way easier for me to learn in 2D and then move to VR as well. I have VR, motion, FFB, buttkicker, haptic pad, and addons (Vaicom, necksafer, etc...) - I had to write a pretty lengthy powershell script to manage all of the software startup and remind me to check things along the way to get a consistent startup experience. It's honestly a mess to self support all of the integration points.
J...and then tuning anything is a multivariate problem with infinite combinations.... why do I do this again? lol
Hyeah that’s another thing. If it gets too cumbersome, I catch myself staying on the couch even though I feel the urge to fly. I tend to simplify things instead of making them more difficult (well some exceptions like FFB obviously). For example I went down the rabbit hole of surround sound pretty deep before I realised that I actually don’t need more than a decent stereo setup, which is much cheaper, much easier to deal with and makes a nicer room.
ABut what is more cumbersome than doing a quick flight in VR, is going to an airport, opening up the hanger, fueling a plane, and getting going overall. Not to forget washing the thing when you are done....
Jwell that's true! although there is something to be said for actually touching the aircraft aluminum, smelling the jetA, talking to ATC, and feeling the plane come to life!
Jwe can sim all that, but it's not quite the same:)
