What's the benefit of using TelemFFB in dcs instead of native ffb implementation?
What's the benefit of using TelemFFB in dcs instead of native ffb implementation?
PSo (as I understand it) dcs ffb effects are done by the module maker not dcs. So some modules will have better ffb effects than others, I think the F-14 & other heatblur modules have been reported as having the best effects natively. What telemffb does is add on top of the native ffb effects. Some effects may not belong with a certian module like the f-18 being fbw irl would have more limited feedback to the pilot over something that is using cables etc. Though these effects can still be helpfull & immersive to use, you can pick & choose the effects from telemffb as you wish per module.
KAha. That makes sense. Thanks
WYeah that section in the manual needs overhaul 
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HAs PinkMud already said, some DCS-modules don't offer any effects beyond aerodynamic control forces at all. And none offer supplementary effects like weapon effects, ground rumble, ETL, engine vibrations etc....
II got a email from them. There’s a white box with an RJ45 cable (why I have no idea) and then that box has a USB C to USB on it. It’s just like VKB so we have a control box we got to setup. Ugh. Wish Virpil had released their cyclic. I’m using F18 handle right now but I really would love to complete my collection…. 
it’s like $580 and you can get either gooseneck extension or a short stick.
it’s like $580 and you can get either gooseneck extension or a short stick.
Bi think you are thinking of VKB with an external control box. All of Virpil's products have the electronics integrated without an external box.
IYeah, VKB is what I meant. Was early and my brain wasn’t working yet LOL.
Bno worries i always forget their name too.
Jso many brands start with v
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Afor some reason virpil is often referred to as vpc, which helps the confusion a lot
AAbbreviations and acronyms are fun.
Virtual Pilot Controls -> VIRPIL CONTROLS -> VPC
Virtual Pilot Controls -> VIRPIL CONTROLS -> VPC
WMy name also starts with a V 
Jvvalmis!
BTotally, whenever im thinking of VKB my mind immediately jumps to VPC and i have to smack myself and think "no! its the other 3 letter acronym, now let me google it for the 1259173rd time and maybe ill remember it"
Bim a vvill here 
BIn other news, I have had my Rhino for 6 days. I haven't had a chance to use it as much as i like but my initial impressions are unequivocally positive. I am blown away by its functionality, easy of use and quality. Well Done @walmis
Balso whoever has created the documentation is a godsend. I know its not perfect but it makes coming up to speed on all the features really easy.
Athe doc dudes are real superheroes
CAm I stupid or does Force Trim not function in the chinook not function properly
TI think it’s not implemented or not correctly implemented yet. Early Access and all.
HLol just saw a „review“ of the Moza (with the guy actually opening it)…. My second hand judgement….. meh. Nothing to worry about for the Rhino. Looks dirt cheap on the inside and the gimbal is a joke. (It actually has one motor throwing around).
Maybe in practice that doesn’t matter all that much, but the absence of active cooling will become a problem. (Search for "Jabbers Moza")
Maybe in practice that doesn’t matter all that much, but the absence of active cooling will become a problem. (Search for "Jabbers Moza")
JI don't think Rhino will have anything to worry about for a long time. The main appeal of the Rhino, especially once more places have FFB, is the absurdly high quality open source software support to provide functionality and features and effects that will always be generations ahead of anything else
JI hope to one day see a VPforce yoke, or perhaps even other things like throttle, belt system, and of course the upcoming pedal kit for Crosswinds. With the software available, anything that can natively access said software will be superior to everything else.
Amaybe it has superconducting motors or something and generates no heat
Awould be interesting to see someone actually put the moza through some real stress
TTo stay at the top, a release of the MFG Crosswind pedal kit would certainly help 
(but quality has to be the 1st priority of course! )
(but quality has to be the 1st priority of course! )
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SThere is Hiobs awesome MFG Project. And @kaltokri offering it as a Kit soon. Parts printed by me 
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EIs there anywhere that explains the differences between the DIY FFB motor options?
HThere is really only two options that are relevant. The "standard" option for the regular (DIY)-Rhino are the 57BLF03. If you want a significant upgrade in max. force over them, you want the 86BLF04. However they don't fit the regular Rhino or DIY-Kits. There are DIY plans that will fit the bigger motors (they are physically much bigger). Makes it all more expensice though.
EAwesome, thank you. Do you know if it is possible to use Simhub or SimTools instead of the VPForce Configurator?
CWhy would you want too? And I believe the answer is no, not without serious modding
WThanks for making the VKB adapter. Works great!
TWhere? 
Hsearch for jabbers moza on youtube
HIt‘s a decent review (for someone that isn’t too deep in the matter imho). The „stress test“ isn‘t really stressing anything though
TThanks 
DJabbers definitely makes quality content, well worth a sub. He had a hell of a time getting the MOZA AB9 base to function early on, and gave them lots of valuable feedback over several iterations. Yet no punches were pulled in his public reporting of many uncomfortable realities either. OTOH, MOZA themselves are terrible at community management / communications. That's why I ended up building a Rhino instead of buying a MOZA, actually. The owner and the community here are so much better, far more helpful and trustworthy.
ESimhub or Simtools would provide a lot more flexibility if you wanted to code your own equations to control the feedback.
CSeems like if you really want that kind of control, you could speak to the dev team here for Telemffb And see if you can help or get access. Otherwise just build your own system from scratch.
EUnderstood. Thank you.