so many brands start with v vpforce virpil vkb vvinvving
so many brands start with v
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KVhrustMaster 
Afor some reason virpil is often referred to as vpc, which helps the confusion a lot
AAbbreviations and acronyms are fun.
Virtual Pilot Controls -> VIRPIL CONTROLS -> VPC
Virtual Pilot Controls -> VIRPIL CONTROLS -> VPC
WMy name also starts with a V 
Jvvalmis!
BTotally, whenever im thinking of VKB my mind immediately jumps to VPC and i have to smack myself and think "no! its the other 3 letter acronym, now let me google it for the 1259173rd time and maybe ill remember it"
Bim a vvill here 
BIn other news, I have had my Rhino for 6 days. I haven't had a chance to use it as much as i like but my initial impressions are unequivocally positive. I am blown away by its functionality, easy of use and quality. Well Done @walmis
Balso whoever has created the documentation is a godsend. I know its not perfect but it makes coming up to speed on all the features really easy.
Athe doc dudes are real superheroes
CAm I stupid or does Force Trim not function in the chinook not function properly
TI think it’s not implemented or not correctly implemented yet. Early Access and all.
HLol just saw a „review“ of the Moza (with the guy actually opening it)…. My second hand judgement….. meh. Nothing to worry about for the Rhino. Looks dirt cheap on the inside and the gimbal is a joke. (It actually has one motor throwing around).
Maybe in practice that doesn’t matter all that much, but the absence of active cooling will become a problem. (Search for "Jabbers Moza")
Maybe in practice that doesn’t matter all that much, but the absence of active cooling will become a problem. (Search for "Jabbers Moza")
JI don't think Rhino will have anything to worry about for a long time. The main appeal of the Rhino, especially once more places have FFB, is the absurdly high quality open source software support to provide functionality and features and effects that will always be generations ahead of anything else
JI hope to one day see a VPforce yoke, or perhaps even other things like throttle, belt system, and of course the upcoming pedal kit for Crosswinds. With the software available, anything that can natively access said software will be superior to everything else.
Amaybe it has superconducting motors or something and generates no heat
Awould be interesting to see someone actually put the moza through some real stress
TTo stay at the top, a release of the MFG Crosswind pedal kit would certainly help 
(but quality has to be the 1st priority of course! )
(but quality has to be the 1st priority of course! )
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SThere is Hiobs awesome MFG Project. And @kaltokri offering it as a Kit soon. Parts printed by me 
V:package: 
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EIs there anywhere that explains the differences between the DIY FFB motor options?
HThere is really only two options that are relevant. The "standard" option for the regular (DIY)-Rhino are the 57BLF03. If you want a significant upgrade in max. force over them, you want the 86BLF04. However they don't fit the regular Rhino or DIY-Kits. There are DIY plans that will fit the bigger motors (they are physically much bigger). Makes it all more expensice though.
EAwesome, thank you. Do you know if it is possible to use Simhub or SimTools instead of the VPForce Configurator?
CWhy would you want too? And I believe the answer is no, not without serious modding
WThanks for making the VKB adapter. Works great!
TWhere? 
Hsearch for jabbers moza on youtube
HIt‘s a decent review (for someone that isn’t too deep in the matter imho). The „stress test“ isn‘t really stressing anything though
TThanks 
DJabbers definitely makes quality content, well worth a sub. He had a hell of a time getting the MOZA AB9 base to function early on, and gave them lots of valuable feedback over several iterations. Yet no punches were pulled in his public reporting of many uncomfortable realities either. OTOH, MOZA themselves are terrible at community management / communications. That's why I ended up building a Rhino instead of buying a MOZA, actually. The owner and the community here are so much better, far more helpful and trustworthy.
ESimhub or Simtools would provide a lot more flexibility if you wanted to code your own equations to control the feedback.
CSeems like if you really want that kind of control, you could speak to the dev team here for Telemffb And see if you can help or get access. Otherwise just build your own system from scratch.
EUnderstood. Thank you.
ADoes anyone know if the Virpil 10cm extender is suitable with Rhino?
https://virpil-controls.eu/vpc-flightstick-extension.html
https://virpil-controls.eu/vpc-flightstick-extension.html
Features
★ Available in 50mm/75mm/100mm
★ Increased Precision and Smoother Handling
★ Allows for Offset Grip Rotation - Perfect for Center Mounted Setups
★ Includes Cable Extensions
★ Metal Construction
★ Available in 50mm/75mm/100mm
★ Increased Precision and Smoother Handling
★ Allows for Offset Grip Rotation - Perfect for Center Mounted Setups
★ Includes Cable Extensions
★ Metal Construction
DAll good. I have the 10 (and others). Work perfectly
AThank you!
D
DOn the other hand, when you go to screw it onto the Rhino...go very quietly otherwise you risk damaging the Rhino's screw thread (3d printing is therefore more fragile).
ARoger that
KThe "Machined Aluminum Grip Mount Upgrade for Rhino" is really worth the price in my opinion. I use the PA12 printed version at the moment. It is ok as long as you are carefully and don't change the grip/extension often. But I've one aluminum here and will change it next time I change something at my rhino or simpit.
DYeah you're right. Unfortunately I didn't know this when I placed the initial order. So I took the plans supplied by Walmis and printed them out more solidly.
Anyway, if you don't change your grips every day, he won't have any problems
Anyway, if you don't change your grips every day, he won't have any problems
LIt's the one I use with their B8-style grip. No complaints.
COk what do if telemFFB isn’t recognizing any inputs
HNo, the motors are tuned to the VP software afaik.
EThank you
