the last point was much more relevant in the d3d11 vs opengl days, as ms purposefully nerfed perform
the last point was much more relevant in the d3d11 vs opengl days, as ms purposefully nerfed performance of opengl
Abut is still somewhat relevant now as d3d12 is still easier and less verbose than vulkan, therefore requires less "effort" to get running well
ILike MS intentionally made OpenGL run worse on Windows or something?
Ayep, at least that's what i've heard
Aand i've seen it first hand
II.. wouldn't put that past Microsoft
IThey totally would do that
IIt's so technical I doubt anyone'd notice
Awhen you push opengl a bit, stuff that would run at 120fps on linux ran at like 60 (or less) on windows lol
TOh I've experienced that first hand with my game engine(s)
Ayep. i'm pretty sure ms did purposefully nerf performance of opengl to make dx look better
TMean
Aalthough with that being said dx generally has favourable performance even vs vulkan as vulkan is generally harder to get performing well
TMeancrosoft
II was bouncing around the idea on whether or not I should support D3D as well as Vulkan in this project but I'm still mixed about the idea given it'd be windows only
TI have never cared one bit for DX, as I've always felt that cross-platform support is important
Ayou would also get xbox support
Aalthough whether that is relevant or not is up to you. imo xbox will be pretty much dead in the waters by the next generation
Athat may seem harsh but the disparity between the ps5 and xbox series x s series whatever idk what the names even are is quite large
IAs much as I'm trying to not use platform specific code (which so far I've kept it up), consoles as a whole seem very anti-developer
Abtw, i ain't no sony fan
... even though i somehow find myself owning a lot of playstations
but ms really seem to have screwed things
it's a shame too
... even though i somehow find myself owning a lot of playstations
but ms really seem to have screwed things
it's a shame too
Athey aren't pro developer, that's for sure. but yeah, they have biases towards AA/AAA devs rather than indies
II've got my project running on Windows, Mac, Linux and Android atm but I don't have any consoles (besides a switch but uh, nintendo.)
Ain ms's favour, last i've heard they are much more favourable towards indies than sony is. not sure about nintendo
Iall I know is they're very picky about their SDKs
Iand I kinda feel like the Switch wouldn't like C#
TThere are quite a few indie games on switch
Anativeaot should be able to run on any of the modern consoles nowadays
Ai know the FNA guys got it working on all of them
IOh right, I do need to ensure AOT still works on my project, which I think it does
II mean yeah, but like, how about engine wise?
IMost would be Unity I would assume
IMaybe the rare Godot
Adon't quite recall, amd did perform significantly worse in opengl in general, although it's hard to know how much of that is down to thunderbolt 4
TYeah unity and Godot mostly
LAMD OpenGL on windows is nerfed against linux because their windows GL drivers were built for workstation use, not gaming
Aoh huh
IThis makes me wonder with Unity 7 apparently going to CoreCLR how that will affect things
TSame
II also wonder if they're going to be deprecating a bunch of things as part of that fairly significant move
TI don't particularly care for Unity (anymore) (though I never much did) but I gotta say, finally their promises are sounding like they come from having listened to what the people actually want
Athat would explain why the disparity was massive on amd then, i couldn't even reach 60fps while rendering like 1000 cubes (i know a lot of that will also be due to my inefficient rendering system), while it reached like 100 on my laptop's significantly less powerful nvidia gpu
TI hope so
IOne of my big criticisms of Unity had to come down to it's tech debt and also the rampant use of reflection
TMhm
II found out Unity spends like 30% of a frame just verifying if methods exist?
Lyup
the AMD GL drivers on linux dont have this issue, and you'll see usually 30%-100% perf uplift
the AMD GL drivers on linux dont have this issue, and you'll see usually 30%-100% perf uplift
ISomething about finding if a particular MonoBehavior had Update/FixedUpdate etc
I(note they were never overrides)
