DevHeads IoT Integration Server•15mo ago

the real win is giving more people the option to participate in that advancement if they want to. It

the real win is giving more people the option to participate in that advancement if they want to. It's not about carrying everyone forward , just making sure that the door stays open for those ready to walk through it

MMarvee Amasi the real win is giving more people the option to participate in that advancement...

ZacckOsiemo•10/16/24, 5:21 AM

The doors have never been closed.

ZZacckOsiemo Also if you see that the world is missing an opportunity to innovate ina way th...

Dtynin•10/16/24, 5:22 AM

well, I agree tho but then I tink we can aim to birth a future where competency and fairness aren't mutually exclusive, where we innovate in a way that benefits everyone, both now and for generations to come. What do you tink?

ZZacckOsiemo The doors have never been closed.

Marvee AmasiOP•10/16/24, 5:23 AM

Hmm , this talk is getting interesting

DDtynin well, I agree tho but then I tink we can aim to birth a future where competency ...

ZacckOsiemo•10/16/24, 5:23 AM

The more competent you are, the fairer the world will be to you. That world already exists.

ZZacckOsiemo The more competent you are, the fairer the world will be to you. That world alre...

Marvee AmasiOP•10/16/24, 5:24 AM

it feels like there’s more to the story

MMarvee Amasi it feels like there’s more to the story

Dtynin•10/16/24, 5:26 AM

Obviously there is

ZZacckOsiemo The more competent you are, the fairer the world will be to you. That world alre...

Dtynin•10/16/24, 5:27 AM

So true tho ...we move

MMarvee Amasi it feels like there’s more to the story

ZacckOsiemo•10/16/24, 5:27 AM

Don't feel, analyze. Remember you can feel anything at almost any time.

Marvee AmasiOP•10/16/24, 5:32 AM

some people face obstacles more than just skill level, prolly it's access to education or networks or resources

Marvee AmasiOP•10/16/24, 5:32 AM

And the world rewards competence, sure

Marvee AmasiOP•10/16/24, 5:33 AM

But it is clear that not everyone has the same starting point when it comes to getting there

ZZacckOsiemo Life expectancy in the 1820s was 30 to 40 yrs, now it is in the 70s. That means ...

Ming•10/16/24, 5:53 AM

Life expectancy in the 1820s was 30 to 40

That is the statistic at birth
If you were lucky enough to survive the various illnesses and get to 15, you had about the same chance of reaching 70 as today.
It is the advances of medicine that means more of us are surviving to 15.

MMing > Life expectancy in the 1820s was 30 to 40 That is the statistic _at birth_ ...

ZacckOsiemo•10/16/24, 6:17 AM

Oh I see, however this still demonstrates the advancements aren't just for the elite.

ZZacckOsiemo Oh I see, however this still demonstrates the advancements aren't just for the e...

Ming•10/16/24, 6:20 AM

That however is true. It takes time (far too long!) for benefits to trickle down to the masses.

That may be the one way to make this potential AI revolution ‘fairer’

MMing That however is true. It takes time (far too long!) for benefits to trickle down...

ZacckOsiemo•10/16/24, 6:27 AM

I agree it takes too long, on whether it should or should not I'm on the fence.

They promised me a better world with the advent of the smart phone especially with the open handset alliance, they promised me a better world with Virtual Reality and Augmented reality, they promised me a better world with decentralization and blockchain, they promised me a better world with covid and remote work. The world remained and still remains largely the same.

I am jaded as to how AI will be the magic bullet.

ZZacckOsiemo I agree it takes too long, on whether it should or should not I'm on the fence. ...

Ming•10/16/24, 6:41 AM

While it is a ‘they’ it never will get better.
‘They’ are mainly interested in ‘them’. If it happens to benefit someone else, then that is a happy accident.

Social Media was meant to be the great leveler - letting the voice of the people be heard.
Well, we heard it and it turns out to be pictures of their cats!

MMing While it is a ‘they’ it never will get better. ‘They’ are mainly interested in ...

techielew•10/16/24, 6:45 AM

reach > grasp

MMing While it is a ‘they’ it never will get better. ‘They’ are mainly interested in ...

ZacckOsiemo•10/16/24, 6:50 AM

I guess it is time we get involved

MMing While it is a ‘they’ it never will get better. ‘They’ are mainly interested in ...

techielew•10/16/24, 6:59 AM

So, that's my queue to break in with the shameless self promotion—or rather, a meetup topic: open source.

How altruistic is a lot of open source tech these days? For example, Zephyr started as a commercial RTOS built by a company that was acquired by Wind River and then open-sourced under the name Rocket and then pushed to LF—but you better believe WR is interested in converting commercial Zephyr users to VxWorks or WR Linux.

Who are the progenitors and maintainers of Zephyr and other popular open-source technologies? Does it matter?

I'd like for this to be the topic of this week's OH meetup but would also like to hear the community's thoughts here.

techielew•10/16/24, 7:03 AM

At best, an open source technology is something that mainly benefitted someone and in some cases gained popularity through the happy accident of also benefitting others. Then marketers realized the power of the messaging and have spun up a largely rosy image of homebrew + counter-culture + cost savings + flexibility + self-reliance that it's hard not to get on board with.

MMarvee Amasi Look , cutting engineers to boost efficiency sounds more like trading brains fo...

ke7c2mi•10/16/24, 12:36 PM

You're missing something here

Things taking less time should lead to more free time and frolicking

You're actually mad that the structure of society is such that everyone needs a job, i.e. at money and capitalism

To me it is crazy to think we would keep "busy work" for the sake of it, so we can give people made up tokens..... maybe you need to take a step back to see it, but this is very crazy

ke7c2mi•10/16/24, 12:40 PM

To try and express this in a more concrete way, lets say for the sake of argument, it takes 100 hours of human labour to provide for 1000 people

We can see the % utilisation per person is 10% to maintain this. Lets say the rest of the utilisation is made up with frolicking. Society is 10% work, 90% frolick

Lets say we have an innovation, and now it only costs 50 hours to provide for 1000 people, now the % utilisation per person is 5%, and we are at 95% frolick

In your statement you claim that %frolick goes down as %utilisation goes down, but we can see that the natural effect in this system is that frolicking goes up with utilisation going down

So - go and find the mechanism that makes what you said true (and it IS true today) - and get very specifically mad at that bit

nour_oud•10/16/24, 4:24 PM

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boualleg sabrina•10/17/24, 12:07 PM

hello guys

boualleg sabrina•10/17/24, 12:07 PM

I need your help

boualleg sabrina•10/17/24, 12:09 PM

I'm graduating this year , so I need ideas for the graduation project

boualleg sabrina•10/17/24, 12:12 PM

I'll be using artificial intelligence, rtos ,

boualleg sabrina•10/17/24, 12:12 PM

I look forward to your suggestions

Abdullah•10/17/24, 6:17 PM

When I connect the Arduino uno R4 wifi to the computer, the connected COM does not appear, knowing that I connected the ESP32 and the Arduino uno and they work without a problem. What is the solution in the Arduino uno R4 wifi?

Abdullah•10/17/24, 6:17 PM

Michael W•10/18/24, 12:19 AM

Hey guys, new here!

Michael W•10/18/24, 12:20 AM

I'm here to learn a bit more on doing PCB design on some automotive PCB's I'm wanting to make

MMichael W Hey guys, new here!

techielew•10/18/24, 12:45 AM

Welcome, Michael. @hemalchevli @Navadeep and @Joseph Ogbonna are good resources for you. Do you have any specific Qs to get started?

Ttechielew Welcome, Michael. @hemalchevli @Navadeep and @Joseph Ogbonna are good resources ...

Michael W•10/18/24, 12:48 AM

I don't right now. Biggest thing is trying to learn more of PCB design.

MMichael W I don't right now. Biggest thing is trying to learn more of PCB design.

techielew•10/18/24, 1:02 AM

What's your background?

Ttechielew What's your background?

Michael W•10/18/24, 1:07 AM

I'm a system administrator/engineer, mainly dealing with computer networks. I'm a hobbiest and attempt to teach myself new things all the time. I've done some arduino programming and a bit of a gear head. I've developed a digital dashboard using a RK3399 from Firefly for a car that I'm doing a retro mod on. I've gotten to a point where I feel my next step in doing what I'm wanting to do with it will require me to make my own PCB's because the things I'm wanting don't exist. I would say I'm a novice to intermediate with PCB components, where I understand what things are and can look at schematics or wiring diagrams and understand them.

AAbdullah When I connect the Arduino uno R4 wifi to the computer, the connected COM does n...

Umesh Lokhande•10/18/24, 4:26 AM

Have you tried to uninstall and re-install the Arduino IDE? to make sure that all dependencies got installed properly. especially, that show up after the installation. Also, make sure to Install your board's Package Core.

MMichael W I'm a system administrator/engineer, mainly dealing with computer networks. I'm...

techielew•10/18/24, 5:18 AM

What are the things you're wanting?

techielew•10/18/24, 5:18 AM

Specifically

ZacckOsiemo•10/18/24, 5:22 AM

Would anyone care to see a side by side comparison of FreeRTOS and Zephyr? I have always wondered what would we see if we took two operating systems and implemented the same kind of system on same kind of hardware.

ZZacckOsiemo Would anyone care to see a side by side comparison of FreeRTOS and Zephyr? I hav...

melta101•10/18/24, 5:38 AM

i think i have a analysis between threadX/zephyr/FreeRTOS by benningo

melta101•10/18/24, 5:39 AM

https://www.beningo.com/rtos-performance-report-2024-now-available/

Beningo Embedded GroupJacob Beningo

RTOS Performance Report (2024) – Now Available | Beningo Embedded

The RTOS Performance Report is an in-depth benchmarking analysis of RTOSes and their performance across key areas to embedded systems, including:

Mmelta101 i think i have a analysis between threadX/zephyr/FreeRTOS by benningo

ZacckOsiemo•10/18/24, 5:51 AM

yeah this is cool but this is also a bit obviously skewed, I am wondering about demoing like specific features say we have a mutex problem and we try to solve it with FreeRTOS and Zephyr but on the same architecture

ZacckOsiemo•10/18/24, 5:53 AM

Say something like 2 tasks wants to share 2 uart to communiicate with a terminal, we could implement this on stm32f4 on zephyr and same on stm32f4 on freertos, then step back and look at the differences between both approaches, would you be keen on that @melta101

ZacckOsiemo•10/18/24, 5:53 AM

It's like when we used to do the same app on react, elm, vue, angular then benchmark.

ZZacckOsiemo Say something like 2 tasks wants to share 2 uart to communiicate with a terminal...

melta101•10/18/24, 6:05 AM

makes sense
it would little more real world application in that way too.

Mmelta101 makes sense it would little more real world application in that way too.

ZacckOsiemo•10/18/24, 6:06 AM

would you do it any different?

Mmelta101 makes sense it would little more real world application in that way too.

ZacckOsiemo•10/18/24, 6:07 AM

or in other words, what would you compare between freertos and zephyr

ZZacckOsiemo or in other words, what would you compare between freertos and zephyr