HProblem is that the system is elastic. Depending on the force you apply at each endpoint the mid point can be a bit off. Add an unsymmetrical weight distribution of the grip or an angled offset to this and you have some deviation.
NGotcha... if the deviation is always to one side, its probably not related.
Was asking since your damper and friction are higher than I normally see/use. The spring effect is very weak near center so it might not be strong enough (even with adaptive recentering) to overcome those.
In the new firmware/configurator you can actually set gain curves for those effects too.. you could reduce the friction/damper near center to make it easier for the spring effect to find center.
Was asking since your damper and friction are higher than I normally see/use. The spring effect is very weak near center so it might not be strong enough (even with adaptive recentering) to overcome those.
In the new firmware/configurator you can actually set gain curves for those effects too.. you could reduce the friction/damper near center to make it easier for the spring effect to find center.
HOr make the spring curve a bit steeper around the middle. That increases overall strength though, so you might wanna reduce spring gain a bit.
NYep.. that too. Was dangerous in 1.0.16 because it was easy to induce instability if you got very sharp around center. This is the spring gain map on my collective spring in 1.0.17 (for when collective force trim is active). Feels like a rock when the spring is active
HWell! 
I had a bit less in mind…..
I had a bit less in mind…..Njust sayin... the stability enhancements in 1.0.17 are legit 
Mthats the thumb stick with no input.
Mthe WIN10 Tool for gamecontrollers also collects the same info. I am wondering if the thumbstick is maybe damaged ... ?
Nthats pretty strange. The axis numbers in the green box seem to agree with the hat position being triggered (both full up/left). Do they change when you mvoe the axis? What about the raw values in the red box?
MRaw Value on thumb X is:770 full left, 237 full right.
Raw Value on thumb Y is: 218 max down and 734 max up BUT diagonally up right is like 754.
Something is messed up ... push thumb is button 5 ,,,#
Raw Value on thumb Y is: 218 max down and 734 max up BUT diagonally up right is like 754.
Something is messed up ... push thumb is button 5 ,,,#
Rwill this also be more stable with the cyclic, to increase the strength of the center, where ever it is when using force trim?
MSolved after some tinkering: ok .. I reset all settings and also the win10 (reset to standard NOT calibrate) config. then calibrated in VPForce FFB COnfigurator and send to device and it now works -.....
YI just got my rhino, and it's great to feel the ffb. I was wondering if anyone has settings they like for MSFS and DCS helos (uh60, oh58, bell 407). The trim doesn't seem to really hold its position well and sometimes the aircraft will flip right away if I start with the aircraft running. I have been reading through the manual, but I'm not really sure if I have something on or off that I shouldn't.
HFor the trim to hold well (assuming you are talking about Helicopters), you need to play around with friction settings. For helicopters in general I would recommend to use very light spring (or none) and more friction and damping (and a bit of inertia) to give the stick the right „feeling“. And personally I use the hardware enabled trim function of the VP software rather than in-game force trim.
TBeen tweaking settings for a helicopter config myself. Using a both friction and damping, with a little spring. I've been playing with the DCS OH-58D Kiowa and having fun with it. Using its force trim seems to work fine. I'd like to understand why you recommend using the hardware enabled trim vs the in-game force trim - for spring centering or something else?
HJust for convenience. This way I have a reliable always consistent function for all helicopter modules and don't need to rely on the implementation in the module itself. For example I didn't even noitce that there were initial problems with the FFB implementation of the Chinook. Worked like charm from day one for me.
RI tend to use ingame ffb now with tweaks in teleffb per aircraft. My 58 flies different than my oh-6 and 60
BSomethings very wrong with this setup ... Motors start randomly, most of the times at the first plugin, then if i unplug they wont start.
PCB Interface wont work most of the times - buttons not recognized etc
what t he hell is wrong ?
PCB Interface wont work most of the times - buttons not recognized etc
what t he hell is wrong ?
THave you tried loading the default rhino profile?
Bjup...nothing happens. The motor issue i assume its the Capacitors of the PSU still having some undervoltage, but too less.
The 5 pin WinWing Adapter, well wired like here, not working:
The 5 pin WinWing Adapter, well wired like here, not working:
Band after pressing the E-Stop, nothing will start up...
Bso for now, sorry to say, this is a expensive piece of trash :/
TWhat does the debug tab show? Are you hearing beeps from the board when applying power? What power supply are you using? Have you checked supply voltage?
TThe numbers on the left side in this picture is what mine looks like when it has been powered on and then off. Vbus is showing 0.02V so looks like a power supply issue to me.
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Bi might be the trash aswell
THow have you wired the power to the main board?
BPSU + -> E-Stop C pin
E-Stop NC -> Board +
PSU - -> Board -
E-Stop NC -> Board +
PSU - -> Board -
Band the PSU, I assume is AC
TIf you have a multimeter you could check voltage at the board to make sure you are getting 19.5V to the input terminals. Careful poking around with the probes not to short anything.
Rhaving issues since latest update virpil alpha grip constellation. button 18 is now pressed when buttons 19 and 20 are pressed. i didnt have this yesterday before lstest update. @walmis
ZHi. I am connecting F-14 VKB grip to the blackbox through adapter. VKB device config says it needs to calibrate controler, but nothing happens afterwards. Any ideas what am I doing wrong? Also, it shows grip as "VKB sim gunfighter vintage"
CNeed to click default to reset the grip type. Calibrate by clicking and moving all the buttons then end the calibration. Should be good to go. I switch between the mgcu, f-14 and KG12 grips.
ZMay I ask, where is this "default"?
CVkb software should be a big red button on the left in the tools tab.
ZWent through all of the buttons, ended calibration. Still no success, no buttons seams to work in test tab
ZIt's weird, because the app recognized stick in "external devices" as the KG12 grip, altough i have F-14
CMake sure you click up above in the box the grip name. Then click the default it will reset it to show the F14 grip and prompt the calibration.
ZI have selected it, but after clicking default it stays the same
ZIt prompts calibration, but finishing it doesn't do anything
CTry updating the firmware.
ZDownloaded it today, so that's the newest verion
CYa, something is wrong. The default should reset it to recognize the new grip.
ZOkay, so I had to flash new firmware for the grip, altough besides owning Mk.1 blackbox, I had to use Mk.2 setup. Weird, but now it found it right away. Thanks for help!
ZIn case if anyone needs this in the future, I own the Mk.IV (rev. C) grip
CAnd I apologize when I said update firmware I was referring to the grip. Sorry I was not clear on that.
ZNo problem, thank you again
XHi all, i have received my unit today, and ran into an issue.
I connected the base via USB and via the power brick that came with the unit. My computer can see the device and I was able to update the firmware via the website, but when I turn the red knob, the motors stay offline. Also, stick movements are not detected.
I tried reconnecting (red knob down, disconnect power, disconnect in windows, remove USB and then reconnect), but that didn't help.
It however seems to put the motors on active, and then directly puts them into timeout (see screenshot).
I also tested the voltage of the power brick and it seems to work - however, I don't have another unit here test if it might be the brick or not.
Anybody an idea what I can do?
I connected the base via USB and via the power brick that came with the unit. My computer can see the device and I was able to update the firmware via the website, but when I turn the red knob, the motors stay offline. Also, stick movements are not detected.
I tried reconnecting (red knob down, disconnect power, disconnect in windows, remove USB and then reconnect), but that didn't help.
It however seems to put the motors on active, and then directly puts them into timeout (see screenshot).
I also tested the voltage of the power brick and it seems to work - however, I don't have another unit here test if it might be the brick or not.
Anybody an idea what I can do?
CJust to clarify you are saying you push the stop down to turn off and twist up to turn back on.
Xyes