No, that is not normal at all. There aren't even any TelemFFB effects that would do that. Look at

No, that is not normal at all. There aren't even any TelemFFB effects that would do that.

Look at the TelemFFB monitor tab to see a list of which effects are active.

Also, post your configurator settings including the expert settings section (expand out the Dynamics/low pass/notch sections if you are running the new v1.0.17).

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•11/8/24, 12:21 PM

@walmis does the figures above look ok to you or do I have a faulty FFB board especialy CS figure

walmis•11/8/24, 12:22 PM

Yeah, CS looks busted

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•11/8/24, 12:28 PM

@walmis would the board be coverd by a warranty or do I need to buy a new board and if so how much

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(41F) RAFAIR Dave H•11/8/24, 12:40 PM

Just seen you list them on order page, new board ordered could you send a grip to board cable too please

morokolli•11/8/24, 3:44 PM

Is there any way to roll back firmware?

morokolli•11/8/24, 3:45 PM

Upgraded to latest beta, and would like to get back to release version.

Brizzly•11/8/24, 4:08 PM

@walmis Since I updated to firmware v1.0.17b4, and Configurator v1.0.17b2, I am only getting damping when moving the stick left, or forward. Aft and right, there's no damping, and the stick springs very quickly past center, then centers with the damping from the opposite direction.

BBrizzly @walmis Since I updated to firmware v1.0.17b4, and Configurator v1.0.17b2, I am ...

walmis•11/8/24, 4:09 PM

Can you try importing the default configuration?

Brizzly•11/8/24, 4:11 PM

That did it, thanks. Sorry for the ping, I haven't used the configurator much, so I'll remember that for the future.

Red Magic•11/8/24, 8:53 PM

the app on the website wont update

Red Magic•11/8/24, 8:53 PM

my configurator is telling me its expecting 181 when 182 is installed

Red Magic•11/8/24, 8:54 PM

when i click on the link to take me to the website the update firmware button doesn't work

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:02 PM

nvm found it

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:03 PM

manually updated through the link on the website lol. also i like the new dark mode on the configurator :)

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:21 PM

aaand now the telemffb software won't work despite being updated now

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:23 PM

but its not working anymore

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:30 PM

don't know what i did but after opening and closing dcs and telem 50 times eventually something clicked and now its working again :ConfusedDog:

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:31 PM

but now the brake axis won't work

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:31 PM

bruh what is going on with the software

amadeus•11/8/24, 9:32 PM

i had precisely zero problems upgrading

Aamadeus i had precisely zero problems upgrading

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:32 PM

i really want to try to believe that but i can't

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:32 PM

there's no way. this process is so cumbersome

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:32 PM

and then it bugs out on you

amadeus•11/8/24, 9:33 PM

i plugged the device in, went to the website, did the beta upgrade. Downloaded the new configurator, installed it, and for telemffb, i run the dev build, so a quick git pull)

amadeus•11/8/24, 9:33 PM

everything was off to the races

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:34 PM

so apparently the config software just randomly decided it wasn't going to do my brake axis anymore

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:35 PM

so i had to recalibrate it. it was only using the inner like 10% of its range despite using the whole lever

amadeus•11/8/24, 9:35 PM

but it is beta, so there's inherent risk

Red Magic•11/8/24, 9:35 PM

crossing my fingers super tightly that its finally in a good spot

Nemisis Wolf•11/8/24, 11:07 PM

Anyone else not getting any dynamic force increase for the pitch axis on the F-14?? Just seems to feel the same no matter what speed I'm doing in her.

Nemisis Wolf•11/8/24, 11:30 PM

Just found the Spring Dynamics adjustment testing now!

Brizzly•11/8/24, 11:54 PM

@walmis Thanks again for the help earlier. FYSA, the problem returned after a computer restart. Loading the default configuration and applying fixed it again, so not a huge deal, but curious why it would come back after a computer restart. For reference, I unplug the joystick, and engage the stop button when not in use as I don't want to burn out the motors.

f14billy•11/8/24, 11:56 PM

Make sure you also hit store after applying so the settings are saved in the device.

NNemisis Wolf Anyone else not getting any dynamic force increase for the pitch axis on the F-1...

Number481OP•11/9/24, 12:10 AM

AFAIK, the F-14 doesn't model any dynamic forces in its FFB implementation (I don't know if it should or not?).

The spring dynamics settings in configurator will only be effective in adjusting the applied gain if the sim is modifying the gain... If the spring gain from the sim is static, the dynamics setting won't do anything.

f14billy•11/9/24, 12:16 AM

I have telemffb set to have dynamic forces based on G loading from 1.1 to 10Gs using a curvature of 1 instead of the default 2.2. it works great for the F-14, F-18 and F15E.

NNumber481 AFAIK, the F-14 doesn't model any dynamic forces in its FFB implementation (I do...

Nemisis Wolf•11/9/24, 1:55 AM

Is their any way in your software to compensate/simulate for the lack of this telemetry in certain DCS modules??

I would have thought that the F-14 should have dynamic forces affecting it being a non FCS jet. Having tested the spring dynamic s settings seems you are correct in that it might make the stick have more spring resistance but there is no dynamic adjustment of the feel of the stick at different speeds, which is disappointing, but can be partially replaced by the dynamic G force effect although not exactly a great replacement. I'm in the middle of making a first impressions review to be quickly followed by a sectional review of the different types of aircraft in DCS and the benefits of having a FFB base in particular the Rhino in all of the different types of aircraft. With the F-14 being a Heat Blur module I would have thought they would have had this effect in their telemetry. Plus the offset of the F-14 stick makes it very difficult to fly at times having little pitch movement left available after trimming in certain flight scenarios.

Since the F-14 is one of my favourite modules having now flown it with FFB it's dropped down my list of fun jets to fly due to the lack of dynamic feedback. Maybe with future upgrades and FFB now becoming a thing for flight sims ED and MSFS and the third party developers will add full telemetry to all the modules in their sims. Not their fault since we have had nearly zero FFB equipment available in flight sims unlike the Sim racing community! But I can see it becoming a big thing now with several manufacturers bringing it out and at an affordable price!

Ff14billy I have telemffb set to have dynamic forces based on G loading from 1.1 to 10Gs u...

Nemisis Wolf•11/9/24, 2:00 AM

Thanks I already use the G force effect in that manner although it's not a great replacement for the dynamic effect we should have of the controls at different speeds. I'm not sure what you mean by a "curvature of 1.0 instead of the 2.2" Is there an adjustment that can change this other than the start and end G ratings and the 0>100 strength factor that I am missing. Any help appreciated.

NNemisis Wolf Is their any way in your software to compensate/simulate for the lack of this te...

Number481OP•11/9/24, 2:22 AM

Up until recently, it was not feasible to implement replacement/augmented dynamic spring forces in TelemFFB for DCS because as soon as you seize control of the spring effect, you are now responsible for every effect that leverages the spring, including trim forces. With the lack of detailed telemetry from DCS, it’s not possible to do cleanly.

With features in the latest firmware, I have some ideas for an advanced spring override that will allow DCS to retain control of the spring effect for trim, but allow us to augment/adjust the applied gain (using same concept as the setting in configurator, but tied to airspeed telemetry). There is also the fact that both IAS and TAS telemetry are bugged/wrong in DCS.

Bottom line, this would be best addressed by the module developer. HB knows how to do it (F4 is a prime example). That said, I have no frame of reference on how the 14’s controls should feel IRL.

Nemisis Wolf•11/9/24, 2:33 AM

Thanks and I know you are doing a great job and it's just a shame that this side of Flight sims has been neglected for so long that now that it has become fashionable the developers are just behind the curve on what is needed for this type of equipment.

NNemisis Wolf Thanks I already use the G force effect in that manner although it's not a great...

f14billy•11/9/24, 2:59 AM

f14billy•11/9/24, 3:00 AM

Yes you can change the curvature as explained in the manual

Ff14billy Click to see attachment

Nemisis Wolf•11/9/24, 3:17 AM

Ah I see you use the Legacy G-Effect hence why I haven't seen this curvature option before as I have only enabled the "NEW" effect so far.

NNemisis Wolf Ah I see you use the Legacy G-Effect hence why I haven't seen this curvature opt...

Number481OP•11/9/24, 4:29 AM

The legacy g effect will provide consistent force at a given G loading because the applied force is a direct calculation of the G force and its point on the curve, but it can lead to a bouncy feeling on some aircraft because the controls are so sensitive it leads to large g-force swings with small control inputs. Most notably at low G's with a linear curve, or, where the curve ramps sharply with an exponential curve value

The new effect calculates the force the same way (using a linear scaling from min-max g), but it applies a further factor using the deflection of the stick from spring center. It solves the "bouncy" problem, but does not provide consistent force since at different airspeeds the "stick pull" to achieve a given G loading will be different.

Tough problem to solve external to the sim.

RRed Magic crossing my fingers super tightly that its finally in a good spot

Red Magic•11/9/24, 5:11 AM

Seems good so far

NNumber481 The legacy g effect will provide consistent force at a given G loading because t...

Hiob•11/9/24, 7:56 AM

Just though about it, inspired by this explanation. Considering the old approach, what if you use more smoothing (moving average) and/or hysteresis to fight the bouncing. That would lead to a delayed response of course, but perhaps that isn‘t all that noticeable (compared to the bounce/oscillating)?

f14billy•11/9/24, 8:16 AM

I tried the new G force effect and while I like the lack of bouncing it just doesn't give me the G force feel the legacy one does with a curvature of 1 since it gives me a precise indication of G forces. If there was a way to keep the feel of the legacy and somehow dampen the bouncing when going back to center it would be perfect! For me at least haha. Also it would be nice if it had an option for negative G forces like the new one does. For now I'm sticking to the legacy one and try to dampen the bouncing with my hand and dampening settings in the configurator.

f14billy•11/9/24, 8:50 AM

In my testing the F-14 isn't as bouncy as the F-18 in DCS so the legacy G force logic plus some dampening works great with the tomcat. But this is only true if the trim has the stick forward. If I trim it to have the stick centered it's just as bouncy.

Ff14billy Make sure you also hit store after applying so the settings are saved in the dev...

Brizzly•11/9/24, 12:40 PM

Ah, I missed that too. Thanks, never noticed that on the previous versions.

I/JG7_Moto•11/9/24, 1:58 PM

Rhino got disconnected during flight in DCS and wont re connect, any ideas?

No, that is not normal at all. There aren't even any TelemFFB effects that would do that. Look at

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