The official statement I heard is that there is no native FFB in MSFS 2024 at the moment. Their plan

The official statement I heard is that there is no native FFB in MSFS 2024 at the moment. Their plan is to provide FFB in the future but they want to define some kind of new interface which needs time to talk to involved parties - sounds like a longer iteration for me...

Jj9murphy I've had trouble getting ATTH to engage to hold a bank, I'll try the adaptive ce...

Stryker990•11/22/24, 8:41 AM

Personally ive never gotten ATTH to work as i assumed it should rhino or not for me it always still wanders off

FFlo-Soft The official statement I heard is that there is no native FFB in MSFS 2024 at th...

Jon (Bounty_V)•11/22/24, 10:11 AM

wonder if the iteration will be long enough for logitech and thrustmaster to enter the ffb market as well, or for turtlebeach

being available on pc as well as xbox, it makes sense they would want to set up a way for ffb to function on xbox as well

currently the only brand that is remotely close to having xbox support is moza, who have some working sim racing products.

VPforceBot•11/22/24, 1:35 PM

:package:

RHINO #0797 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•11/22/24, 1:35 PM

:package:

RHINO #0796 Has Shipped!

AAndyHill so what's the deal with msfs2024? is there native ffb? is there going to be?

smitty•11/22/24, 1:43 PM

frankly, with how borked the ui and other things are in fs2024, im glad it isnt native

SSOB Simulations It’s not an Amazon version. It’s a thrust master branded product sold on Amazon.

mechsicko•11/22/24, 2:18 PM

link? I've never seen an extension made by TM and seems awful sus they would use the wrong connector if so..

Mmechsicko link? I've never seen an extension made by TM and seems awful sus they would use...

SOB Simulations•11/22/24, 2:59 PM

After further research, it appears that AVA base uses a different connector so I do not believe it is counterfeit. Here is the link.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CYHG2CQ4?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

THRUSTMASTER AVA Offset Adapter compatible with the AVA Base on PC

Optimize the realism and comfort of your piloting sessions with a configuration of the joystick in the central position. With AVA Offset Adapter, you can adjust the orientation of the joystick on the AVA base to 15° or 30°, providing more realistic immersion and comfort. Don't waste time making a...

j9murphy•11/22/24, 3:04 PM

I just got an AVA adapter as well.. still trying to figure the best way to cut off that extra pin. not much space to get in there. I thought about trying to just pull it out, but that sounds like a recipe for a bigger problem.

SSOB Simulations After further research, it appears that AVA base uses a different connector so I...

mechsicko•11/22/24, 3:05 PM

Haha what morons.. the main thing keeping them relevant in the face of other companies advancements is the fact their setup defined the standard, now they're breaking away from it lol

j9murphy•11/22/24, 3:07 PM

my solution at the moment instead of the ava is to use a short extension from virpil. I took the screws out of the female bracket on the rhino and there was enough slack in the cable to bring that up through the extension and plug it directly into the stick. this allows me to loosen the stick and tighten it at the 40 degree angle I was looking for (F18 grip)

j9murphy•11/22/24, 3:09 PM

I'm using the 50mm extension here...
https://virpil-controls.us.com/vpc-flightstick-extension.html

VPC Flightstick Extension

Features

★ Available in 50mm/75mm/100mm
★ Increased Precision and Smoother Handling
★ Allows for Offset Grip Rotation - Perfect for Center Mounted Setups
★ Includes Cable Extensions
★ Metal Construction

j9murphy•11/22/24, 3:11 PM

from Virpil: "Note: As the 50mm extension includes a solid connector it is not suitable for use with the TM Warthog base + TM Warthog grip combination."

This is why I pulled the rhino cable through the extension. It would also work if you fashioned a short enough extension cable instead of pulling the existing one through.

j9murphy•11/22/24, 3:11 PM

for the longer extensions, you must use a cable between the stick and the rhino

Mmechsicko Haha what morons.. the main thing keeping them relevant in the face of other com...

TheAmazinGreat•11/22/24, 3:14 PM

I’m betting they are trying to go different to get people locked into their ecosystem. Not very smart IMO but honestly 6 pin mini din would be welcomed by me because it’s the same as PS/2 which are a dime a dozen.

j9murphy•11/22/24, 3:15 PM

one other note is that the amount of available slack in that existing cable will be dependent on the throw of your stick base. Mine is 15 degrees in each direction and seems fine.

TheAmazinGreat•11/22/24, 3:15 PM

Maybe they have big plans for that extra pin in the future

mechsicko•11/22/24, 3:26 PM

That was my thought.. like adding a ministick or anaog brake or something but still going to diminish what's left of their market share since keeping that standard was basically the last thing keeping them relevant

Jj9murphy from Virpil: "Note: As the 50mm extension includes a solid connector it is not s...

f14billy•11/22/24, 3:31 PM

That's a great idea. Since I wanted to use the 5cm extension I asked virpil to send me their 7.5cm cable with it and I was able to fit it in the 5cm tube. All that trouble and now I'm actually using the 7.5cm tube with its own cable haha.

Mmechsicko That was my thought.. like adding a ministick or anaog brake or something but st...

TheAmazinGreat•11/22/24, 3:43 PM

It amazes me how much they charge for what they provide and it is the “go to” for many.

Jj9murphy I just got an AVA adapter as well.. still trying to figure the best way to cut o...

SOB Simulations•11/22/24, 7:01 PM

My plan is just to remove the two screws on either end (four screws total) and remove the electrical connection inside the adapter - that should work for me since I am using a VKB with black box

SOB Simulations•11/23/24, 3:22 AM

Well, I was able to remove the electrical connection and the pins on either side but now there’s no way to tighten it enough to where it doesn’t slop back-and-forth so this part was a complete waste of money

Hiob•11/23/24, 1:38 PM

@walmis Hardware Trim behavior:
Hey Walmis, I noticed that after the latest Firmware update, a trimmed position will be reset to the neutral point when a) the trim option is disabled or b) a profile without trim enabled is loaded. Which is an improvement and I assume is intentional.
However - when you then enable the trim feature again OR load a profile with trim enabled, it will instantly return to the last trimmed position.
I don't know if that is intentional, but I don't think, that is desirable behavior. I think once reset, the trim position should stay neutral until intentionally trimmed again. (also that suggests, that the trimmed position stay stored somewhere in the firmware even if a different config is loaded - which could cause unforeseen trouble I guess?!)

Hiob•11/23/24, 1:39 PM

Imagine flying a helicopter and being in some weird trimmed position and than crashing, flying fixed wing aftre that and then hop in a different helicopter again, being totally surprised by a weirdly trimmed cyclic.

HHiob @walmis Hardware Trim behavior: Hey Walmis, I noticed that after the latest Firm...

walmis•11/23/24, 1:44 PM

Hey, good point, I'll address this

Stryker990•11/23/24, 2:29 PM

@walmis wait you actually added the #41 and #42 virtual buttons on the WinWing F-16EX grip already? :hkYAY: couldnt find any mention in the firmware changelog and i was about to write a reminder but checked if you stealthadded them and turns out you did thx

SStryker990 @walmis wait you actually added the #41 and #42 virtual buttons on the WinWing F...

walmis•11/23/24, 2:36 PM

Probably forgot to mention it, lots of changes in v 17

MickX•11/23/24, 8:36 PM

Hi all I’ve got the monster Rhino up and running

does anyone have some baseline settings I could start with for someone playing 99% warbirds (il2 & dcs)

DuraCell•11/23/24, 9:38 PM

I am trying to get hardware force trim to work in MFS 2024 is that a known issue or only for me, hardware force trim works in helis in mfs 2020 just tested it now .

sith1144•11/23/24, 9:56 PM

seeems like I cant get my X-axis centered? anyone have a suggestion for which settings to look for first? im flying the F-4 in DCS and itll be off to the right slightly, and trim doesnt seem to help

MMickX Hi all I’ve got the monster Rhino up and running 🎉 does anyone have some baseli...

Hiob•11/23/24, 10:25 PM

I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your personal setup (stick extension for example) and taste. From my experience you don't really need a different config for each aircraft. Just one default per class (Warbirds, Jets, Helicopters).

I would recommend to start by activating "spring", "inertia", "friction" and "damping" in the effects tab and set all to 100%.

Then in the Settings tab, put Master Gain to 100%, Periodic Effects to 50%, Constant Force to 100%.

Then put "Spring" to 0% and start playing with Inertia, Damping and Friction until the Stick feels "right" to you (giving some feeling of hydraulics/cables/pulley some friction and inertia etc.) That part is really a matter of taste.

When this is all dialed in, increase Spring until you find a level of force that you like.

Et Voila - your first "base" config is done. You con build upon and fine tune from here

Hiob•11/23/24, 10:25 PM

(Obviously do a calibration first)

HHiob I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your pers...

MickX•11/23/24, 10:30 PM

Beauty! Cheers mate

HHiob I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your pers...

sith1144•11/23/24, 10:39 PM

ah this probably answers my questions too! thanks. ill try that

Spitfire ZX•11/24/24, 2:31 AM

if I'm ordering a throw limiter and want asymmetric pitch limits, but do not know exactly which way I want to orient the base yet, is it easy to swap that around?

Reed•11/24/24, 4:55 AM

No they only go one way so you’d need to decide how your going to orient the rhino. There is a fwd and back side. I’m using 9 degree fore aft and 7drgree side to side. I have a very long extension so it needed tighter limiting. My throw on the grip is about 9” fore aft and 7” side side.

Poor Yurik•11/24/24, 5:15 AM

Been loving my Rhino for a long time now, but I have to say, low level racing with it in MS2024 is a total blast. With it alongside my DOFR H3, felt like a real workout cranking into high g turns today. Absolutely LOVE IT.

HHiob I would recommend to setup your own config. It's very much a matter of your pers...

LeLv30_Superbus•11/24/24, 8:31 AM

We should consider putting this concise and useful set of instructions into the faq as this one comes up often.
I'd only add that if your Rhino has got one pot, start by putting master gain on it. If there are two of them, put spring on the #2. These two may not be what you will have later, but it's what you want to adjust in flight when you are still learning.

LLeLv30_Superbus ☝🏻 We should consider putting this concise and useful set of instructions into ...

Hiob•11/24/24, 8:36 AM

Well, it is only one way to do it. I‘m not claiming it is THE way to do it. It leaves a lot of the advanced options (balancing the grip e.g.) out. It‘s just a starting point I found make sense.
Happy when it helped though!

VPforceBot•11/25/24, 1:33 PM

:package:

RHINO #0799 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•11/25/24, 1:34 PM

:package:

RHINO #0800 Has Shipped!

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:16 PM

Probably what I hope is a stupid question - does anyone know if on the stock Rhino anything is 'mounted' to the base plate? I need to solve a mounting issue and I'm trying to figure out my best steps forward.

SStal2k Probably what I hope is a stupid question - does anyone know if on the stock Rhi...

f14billy•11/25/24, 5:32 PM

Nothing is mounted to it. It can be removed easily if needed.

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:33 PM

Awesome, so hypothetically if I was to countersink 4 M6 holes into it, no harm no foul?

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:34 PM

Full context:

f14billy•11/25/24, 5:34 PM

As long as the screws aren't too long yes. Nothing is mounted to it but fans and motors are pretty close lol

Stal2k•11/25/24, 5:36 PM

Yeah, my thought, well 1 of like 8 thoughts was to mount the base plate to the rig, then re-attach the rhino to the base plate. My intention would be to countersink them so they wouldn't be any higher than the regular plate. the other Idea was to maybe do threaded inserts or tnuts, but I think it's a little too thin for those. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

f14billy•11/25/24, 5:39 PM

As long as you can access the screws at the bottom that attach the baseplate to the walls after mounting it you should be good.

DoctaGriff•11/25/24, 7:20 PM

Can someone explain how the VKB adapter works exactly?

I have a VKB grip, and a black box. I just received my rhino, and I'm waiting for my VKB adapter to ship

Is it literally just the "Rev C" connector, wired to a black box cable on a 3D printed cap?

I can't find any images of the side that connects to the Rhino itself. If someone has one, please share!

DDoctaGriff Can someone explain how the VKB adapter works exactly? I have a VKB grip, and ...

Fierce_Fire•11/25/24, 7:36 PM

Your guess is pretty spot on. It adapts the VKB connector to the cable the black box needs, and has internal threads on the bottom to attach to M36x2(If I remember correctly) metric threads.

FFierce_Fire Your guess is pretty spot on. It adapts the VKB connector to the cable the black...

DoctaGriff•11/25/24, 7:41 PM

Gotcha! Do you know what the female connection is called for the "Rev C" variant?

I've got a few days off this week for thanksgiving and figured I'd DIY the adapter since the one I ordered from VPForce hasn't shipped yet.

I can't seem to find the name of it anywhere.

The official statement I heard is that there is no native FFB in MSFS 2024 at the moment. Their plan

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