so it's normal to be bounced all across the world and it switching every second or so?

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:28 AM

root@syd:~# for run in {1..30}; do curl -s -I https://www.serverhunter.com/cdn-test | grep ray; done
cf-ray: 8eb051c37d0da27f-YUL
cf-ray: 8eb051c828ed27bb-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051ce6b85eb58-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb051d4381627b7-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051d8892257ac-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb051debfd70788-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb051e47cf83ae8-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb051f2ba252785-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051f7788527b2-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051fcfc3ce7fc-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb051ffaad0e7c2-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb05208ffee07bf-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb0520fdd0ee251-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb05216fc8589fd-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb05219ea3aa943-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb0521e1b2d05c2-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb052204968a81d-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb052245942063b-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb05229ac8ccef7-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb052303ef2059c-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb052333b8f6a5d-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb052380e672797-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb05239399d5735-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb0523a6cf2a82b-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb0523b7cbda949-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb052407bd81b67-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb052471a3a1b68-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb0524cbc542793-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb0524dfdbfe7f0-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb05251fd652799-LYS
root@syd:~#

root@syd:~# for run in {1..30}; do curl -s -I https://www.serverhunter.com/cdn-test | grep ray; done
cf-ray: 8eb051c37d0da27f-YUL
cf-ray: 8eb051c828ed27bb-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051ce6b85eb58-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb051d4381627b7-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051d8892257ac-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb051debfd70788-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb051e47cf83ae8-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb051f2ba252785-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051f7788527b2-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb051fcfc3ce7fc-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb051ffaad0e7c2-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb05208ffee07bf-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb0520fdd0ee251-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb05216fc8589fd-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb05219ea3aa943-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb0521e1b2d05c2-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb052204968a81d-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb052245942063b-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb05229ac8ccef7-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb052303ef2059c-IAD
cf-ray: 8eb052333b8f6a5d-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb052380e672797-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb05239399d5735-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb0523a6cf2a82b-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb0523b7cbda949-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb052407bd81b67-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb052471a3a1b68-ORD
cf-ray: 8eb0524cbc542793-LYS
cf-ray: 8eb0524dfdbfe7f0-SYD
cf-ray: 8eb05251fd652799-LYS
root@syd:~#

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:30 AM

because it kinda defeats the purpose of a CDN if people are having 2-3 second loading times

WWoet so it's normal to be bounced all across the world and it switching every second ...

Chaika•12/1/24, 4:31 AM

that's not normal, no

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:32 AM

im trying to get more info

let me know if you need anything besides a MTR/traceroute/rays

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:32 AM

but it's happening consistently from multiple ISPs and networks in Australia

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:33 AM

Sydney: https://gist.github.com/Woet/ed3f13da8b0b003176dd8ebefcf94fa4
Singapore: https://gist.github.com/Woet/74b5d606046ff009db595d4c728d845a

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:33 AM

and it's affecting both worker and CDN requests

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:34 AM

happening from Singapore as well

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:41 AM

I would love to upgrade my plan if it's needed, but every page on the site is saying things like "Our 330 data centers located across the globe provide visitors with location-based access to your website, while removing latency and improving performance." and "Your code is powered by Cloudflare’s network which is milliseconds away from virtually every Internet user." is included with every single plan - so I have no clue what to actually purchase.

WWoet I would love to upgrade my plan if it's needed, but every page on the site is sa...

Chaika•12/1/24, 4:49 AM

There's no hard answer or any guarantees outside of a custom ent contract, speaking purely in terms of POPs made available/not available to you due to capacity issues, plans are kicked off for capacities sake in order of free -> pro -> biz -> ent. Some PoPs just never have capacity for specific plans though, among other routing decisions. What's happening with SYD right now looks much more transient in nature though, for clarification I'm not a cloudflare employee but have plenty of monitoring, and can see about ~1 hours ago routing started going all wonky over there, I'm sure they know internally but will see if we can escalate/should get a status page

CChaika There's no hard answer or any guarantees outside of a custom ent contract, speak...

WoetOP•12/1/24, 4:53 AM

there should really be more information about that though. I understand that the free plan would be best effort, but if you're paying $20/month for a pro plan (or more), there should be a clear promise which POPs are available to you. The wording on the website implies that every plan has access to every POP at all times.

WWoet there should really be more information about that though. I understand that the...

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:15 AM

there should be a clear promise which POPs are available to you.

It's just not consistent though, due to traffic manager/CF automations removing/adding plans to PoPs/colos as usage fluxes, and rerouting for other reasons. External factors too, like ISP routing. DTAG in Germany wants paid peering, which is expensive and CF can't realistically pay for free plans with their pricing, as a result even though fra/germany used to be a free plan routable and therefor can be assumed to have capacity, outside of higher plans where CF is paying for transit/routing partners paying their fee, realistic customers in germany on dtag aren't routed there

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:17 AM

If a plan comparsion helps: https://debug.chaika.me/?findColo=true, although of course no guarantees of routing sticking

CChaika > there should be a clear promise which POPs are available to you. It's just not...

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:17 AM

that's why most CDNs just charge per GB per POP

I would love to pay for my usage and have predictable performance.

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:17 AM

that's the entire purpose of a CDN for me, and I believe for most people. If it randomly sends my Australian visitors to Madrid and causes 1-2 second loading times, what's the point?

WWoet that's the entire purpose of a CDN for me, and I believe for most people. If it ...

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:19 AM

I wouldn't consider what's happening right now to be normal, I would consider this just like if you were using a CDN that you did pay per gigabyte per region, and they lost a region/had to fallback
I did escalate that btw, might be a bit till response though considering weekend and time of day, it looks like it's a bit better now as well

CChaika I wouldn't consider what's happening right now to be normal, I would consider th...

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:19 AM

right, but this seems to be super common for the more expensive regions.

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:20 AM

but you probably have more monitoring than me to make that kind of statement

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:21 AM

it does seem to be a lot better now, hitting HKG 29/30 times (and one SJC) from Singapore

WWoet right, but this seems to be super common for the more expensive regions.

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:21 AM

I mean free plan is pretty consistently routed badly in India w/ Indian ISPs and Germany w/ DTAG, but haven't heard of many issues with higher plans and other places

MetaSky•12/1/24, 5:21 AM

Did Workers adjust the way cpu time is calculated? I noticed that my October and November bills don't match.

CChaika I mean free plan is pretty consistently routed badly in India w/ Indian ISPs and...

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:21 AM

yea, I understand the free plan should be best effort with no guarantees, but I would be super pissed if I'm paying $200/month and getting the same issues and support just says "sorry, enterprise plans only".

WWoet but you probably have more monitoring than me to make that kind of statement 🙂

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:22 AM

my syd monitoring shows for this month, up until now, it was pretty chill for free plan

CChaika my syd monitoring shows for this month, up until now, it was pretty chill for fr...

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:22 AM

yea, that looks pretty good

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:22 AM

and then suddenly pretty bad

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:22 AM

how does it compare to pro/business/ent (if you have that data)?

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:22 AM

ENT is the majority of what I have, and it's rock solid, very boringly so

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:23 AM

it just sucks that the pricing is fixed and not usage based. $20-200/month is a steal for big sites and outright overpriced for small sites.

CChaika ENT is the majority of what I have, and it's rock solid, very boringly so

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:24 AM

any data on pro or biz by any chance? cause I don't think I'll be upgrading to enterprise at this point

WWoet any data on pro or biz by any chance? cause I don't think I'll be upgrading to e...

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:25 AM

I only have anecdontal evidence of people showing pro/biz helps dtag/india routing. I will add some after this because I'm curious, but even when I do the data I have is all from datacenter connections, so not 100% representative of real isp connections

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:25 AM

right, that'd be sweet, thanks

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:27 AM

@Chaika do you mind a DM? it's not a support request or ask for help, but also unrelated to CF.

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:28 AM

and yea, I seem to be hitting Sydney way more consistently now too

WWoet @Chaika do you mind a DM? it's not a support request or ask for help, but also u...

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:29 AM

Sure

WWoet and yea, I seem to be hitting Sydney way more consistently now too

Chaika•12/1/24, 5:29 AM

yea it looks a lot calmer now, they did ack the escalation I made as well, can get least get a retroactive status page

WoetOP•12/1/24, 5:32 AM

will add my own monitoring before deploying too

FFlare **CPU Time**: the amount of work the CPU needs to do, measured in `ms`. More CPU...

MetaSky•12/1/24, 5:40 AM

How is workers cpu time calculated? Is it possible that the cpu time calculation strategy was adjusted in October, and I realized that my bill does not correspond to it?

Walshy•12/1/24, 5:44 AM

Walshy•12/1/24, 5:45 AM

CPU time is just processing time done - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_time

Walshy•12/1/24, 5:45 AM

It's not something Cloudflare specific or something with special implementation. It's just standard CPU timing

matt•12/1/24, 6:16 AM

cloudflare down? cannot get the login page to appear. tried incognito, a different browser, etc

matt•12/1/24, 6:17 AM

just seeing this infinite spinner

WWalshy CPU time is just processing time done - <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_tim...

MetaSky•12/1/24, 6:21 AM

I used the graphql api with this data to query the cpu time for October and it doesn't match my billing data, what is the reason for this?

Hakemo•12/1/24, 12:16 PM

yo i have manged to get cloudflare workers to be written in gleam language because it can compile to js

i am currently looking for ideas on what to do with it i have seen people make oauth login with it was really cool

MMetaSky I used the graphql api with this data to query the cpu time for October and it d...

Walshy•12/1/24, 12:17 PM

Well this is literally today only not October. You can see the date, it's a month to date total.

Dec 1 - Dec 1

gilxng•12/1/24, 2:30 PM

Hi @Walshy, I got question regarding the workers ai and vectorize, I have an app running Resnet50 to vectorize image, I'm planning to switch over to cloudflare since you guys support Resnet50, however, I saw the limitiations of the Vectorize it says it has maximum dimensions per vector 1536 dimensions, which is not high enough for my app since it generate 2048 dimensions using Resnet50, any idea how can I reduce the dimensions the is generated from Resnet50?

I'm really new to this field, so any help would be awesome, thanks!

Cloudflare Docs

Limits · Vectorize

The following limits apply to accounts, indexes and vectors (as specified):

Walshy•12/1/24, 2:31 PM

You said a lot of words I don't know haha

Walshy•12/1/24, 2:31 PM

I'd recommend asking in #vectorize
I'm not an AI engineer

gilxng•12/1/24, 2:31 PM

Sure, thanks @Walshy

Dosha•12/1/24, 4:40 PM

How do i manage .env.vars in monorepo, such that i can do wrangler -e ../../.env.vars

root@syd:~# for run in {1..30}; do curl -s -I https://www.serverhunter.com/cdn-test | grep ray; done cf-ray: 8eb051c37d0da27f-YUL cf-ray: 8eb051c828ed27bb-LYS cf-ray: 8eb051ce6b85eb58-ORD cf-ray: 8eb051d4381627b7-LYS cf-ray: 8eb051d8892257ac-IAD cf-ray: 8eb051debfd70788-IAD cf-ray: 8eb051e47cf83ae8-IAD cf-ray: 8eb051f2ba252785-LYS cf-ray: 8eb051f7788527b2-LYS cf-ray: 8eb051fcfc3ce7fc-ORD cf-ray: 8eb051ffaad0e7c2-SYD cf-ray: 8eb05208ffee07bf-IAD cf-ray: 8eb0520fdd0ee251-ORD cf-ray: 8eb05216fc8589fd-ORD cf-ray: 8eb05219ea3aa943-SYD cf-ray: 8eb0521e1b2d05c2-IAD cf-ray: 8eb052204968a81d-SYD cf-ray: 8eb052245942063b-IAD cf-ray: 8eb05229ac8ccef7-ORD cf-ray: 8eb052303ef2059c-IAD cf-ray: 8eb052333b8f6a5d-SYD cf-ray: 8eb052380e672797-LYS cf-ray: 8eb05239399d5735-SYD cf-ray: 8eb0523a6cf2a82b-SYD cf-ray: 8eb0523b7cbda949-SYD cf-ray: 8eb052407bd81b67-ORD cf-ray: 8eb052471a3a1b68-ORD cf-ray: 8eb0524cbc542793-LYS cf-ray: 8eb0524dfdbfe7f0-SYD cf-ray: 8eb05251fd652799-LYS root@syd:~#

so it's normal to be bounced all across the world and it switching every second or so?

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