# TelemFFB Update v20241213 Some bug fixes and general enhancements. QoL update for MSFS24 users ti

TelemFFB Update v20241213

Some bug fixes and general enhancements. QoL update for MSFS24 users tired of random telemetry during menu transition and cut scenes. Does not solve all of the issues but helps a lot. Thanks @smitty for finding the simvars being used to catch these conditions.

General

General UI optimization
- Lighter weight UI theme
- Effect IDs visible in effects monitor (to match effect IDs visible in configurator debug tab)
"Keep forces on Pause" feature now honors all active spring/damper/inertia/friction effects
DCS
Option added in system settings to disable export script checking/auto-install for those using non-standard save games locations
IL-2
Improved effect management during IL2 game window focus loss
Added IL-2 system settings option to leave effects running during window focus loss. Can assist with effect tuning but may lead to odd behavior and/or stuck effects
Added discrete effect settings for gunfire/rocket/bomb (was previously a single "weapon release" effect)
MSFS
Work around some of the active telemetry issues in MSFS2024 when in menus, avatar mode and cinematic cut scenes
Added many basic profiles for default MSFS2024 aircraft
"Axis Control" now enabled by default

NNumber481 # TelemFFB Update v20241213 Some bug fixes and general enhancements. QoL update...

LeLv30_Superbus•12/14/24, 11:37 AM

All important improvents, all of them relevant to me as I got just back into IL-2 and also fly a career in MSFS2024, thank you, Sir!

Boogie | 403•12/15/24, 5:05 PM

I’ve been lurking here for a couple of months watching my Rhino order get closer and closer. I’m currently using the WinWing Super Libra w/ extension and the WW Hornet grip. Once my Rhino ships I’ll be selling the Super Libra, but my question is whether to retain my WW Hornet grip to use with the Rhino, or pickup a Thrustmaster Hornet grip. In other words, adapter or no adapter, or do either of these grips work better or more recommended for use with the Rhino? I’m happy with my WW grip, but the TM grip is nearly the same, so would just prefer to go with the better option from the start.

BBoogie | 403 I’ve been lurking here for a couple of months watching my Rhino order get closer...

Zrad•12/15/24, 7:20 PM

Honestly if you like the winwing grip I’d stay with it unless you really wanted to try something different. From what I’ve seen from winwing, the switches and trigger is already pretty tactile, so I’m not sure if the TM grip will really be that much more advantageous. I went straight to a Tianhang grip for my first hornet grip and really enjoy its feel and tactility, but that’s another $300+

Boogie | 403•12/15/24, 7:31 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I was really just wondering about the best integration with the Rhino. But if they all need adaptors anyway, I guess it wouldn’t matter. I do like the WinWing grip

TrigaNZ•12/15/24, 8:18 PM

WW for sure.

BBoogie | 403 Thanks for the feedback. I was really just wondering about the best integration ...

Scarlet•12/15/24, 8:39 PM

I have the same gear and it works great. You likely won't need the WW extension on top of the Rhino adapter

907basebal•12/15/24, 8:54 PM

Anyone have a link to this discord channel? The link currently doesn’t work. I’m trying to find the files for the ACES II seat. Or if anyone knows where to find those files?

ZZrad Honestly if you like the winwing grip I’d stay with it unless you really wanted ...

Boogie | 403•12/15/24, 9:45 PM

Whoa I’ve never seen the Tianhang before. Intriguing. I may have to utilize my go-to excuse of “well, I’m already spending this much. May as well spend more”

BBoogie | 403 Whoa I’ve never seen the Tianhang before. Intriguing. I may have to utilize my g...

Zrad•12/15/24, 9:58 PM

If you’ve got the coin, you can never have too many grips in your collection!

Austringer•12/16/24, 2:53 AM

The thrustmaster module that VPForce sells, can I build a joystick using that module and then use it on Virpil since they suppor the TM protocol?

VPforceBot•12/16/24, 12:32 PM

:package:

RHINO #0835 Has Shipped!

AAustringer The thrustmaster module that VPForce sells, can I build a joystick using that mo...

Austringer•12/16/24, 3:15 PM

I'd like to make a few grips, but It would be really awesome if I could use the grips I make on my Virpil bases as well.

AAustringer I'd like to make a few grips, but It would be really awesome if I could use the ...

Kite•12/16/24, 3:16 PM

Like the Viggen grip?

KKite Like the Viggen grip?

Austringer•12/16/24, 3:36 PM

I have zero interest in the viggen honestly

Austringer•12/16/24, 3:37 PM

No my plans were to make a left hand F16 grip, but I wanted to explore exactly what that module is capable of, how many buttons etc. If it can do a good number of buttons might do a collective

Austringer•12/16/24, 3:37 PM

Apache cyclic, stuff like that

Austringer•12/16/24, 3:37 PM

I've got the 3D models to make everything work, I could just do an arduino, but wanted to see if this was an option fora more plug and play solution.

AAustringer I have zero interest in the viggen honestly

Kite•12/16/24, 3:43 PM

Well that's your loss. But still a guy called Troll just did a home brew Viggen stick that is compatible with the Virpil base. You could check with him?

FuturPaladin [FR/2A]☨•12/16/24, 5:15 PM

Rhino has arrived soon to be tested

Boggy•12/16/24, 6:00 PM

Hi guys, any tips for setting the Rhino up for the F-4 in DCS? I'm finding flying level and air refueling a complete nightmare. The aircraft seems so unstable in pitch and much too light for my preference. I've set the FFB gain in the F4 special options to 200% for roll and pitch but looking for something better. Any tips?

BBoggy Hi guys, any tips for setting the Rhino up for the F-4 in DCS? I'm finding flyin...

f14billy•12/16/24, 6:22 PM

Do you have adaptive recentering active in the configurator?

Ff14billy Do you have adaptive recentering active in the configurator?

Boggy•12/16/24, 6:23 PM

Hmmm, not sure. Let me check

f14billy•12/16/24, 6:26 PM

That setting is a must for keeping the stick centered and helps with straight and level flight and autopilot.

Ff14billy That setting is a must for keeping the stick centered and helps with straight an...

Boggy•12/16/24, 6:31 PM

Ok, yeh it was off. I've put it on now. Gonna check how it feels.

Boggy•12/16/24, 7:15 PM

That was much better. Thank you. Managed to plug in instantly and stay plugged in. It handles much better now. I wonder what else I can change to make it even better.

ZZrad If you’ve got the coin, you can never have too many grips in your collection!

Boogie | 403•12/16/24, 8:00 PM

I'm curious if you utilize their nice looking extension (Tianhang) with your Rhino. I need to figure out how to make that work - just ordered both of them. Too nice looking to pass up. Maybe I'll need to install that Rhino throw limiter...

BBoogie | 403 I'm curious if you utilize their nice looking extension (Tianhang) with your Rhi...

Zrad•12/16/24, 9:04 PM

I do, just know that its not an exact 1 to 1 replica of the real extension, but still really nice.

rougly a 170cm extension, and the paddle switch sits a bit lower than real life

BBoogie | 403 I'm curious if you utilize their nice looking extension (Tianhang) with your Rhi...

Zrad•12/16/24, 9:05 PM

Boogie | 403•12/16/24, 9:06 PM

Looks great. I am curious how close it will come to my center console in my pit, but I’m not pushing forward on the stick often so likely ok. Thanks for the pics. I’m excited to make the change.

BBoogie | 403 Looks great. I am curious how close it will come to my center console in my pit,...

Zrad•12/16/24, 9:09 PM

ill send you a pm to the tianhang discord server, i have several videos/photos showing the grip and all the switch sounds, youll just have to be patient for the wait now though haha!

Boogie | 403•12/16/24, 9:11 PM

Appreciate it!

VPforceBot•12/17/24, 12:05 PM

:package:

RHINO #0836 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•12/17/24, 12:05 PM

:package:

RHINO #0837 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•12/17/24, 12:05 PM

:package:

RHINO #0838 Has Shipped!

ixifelixi•12/17/24, 3:42 PM

FAQ states that Rhino produces 9N of force which equates to 5 kg of force. Any conversion table I looked up states 1 N =0.1kg so 9N =1 kg of force. So I am curios about how math was used to calculate 5 kg of force from 9 N of force? Thank you!

Iixifelixi FAQ states that Rhino produces 9N of force which equates to 5 kg of force. Any c...

Hiob•12/17/24, 3:55 PM

When converting torque into force you need to take the lever into account, which is < than 1m and therefore amplifies the force (/.2)

Hiob•12/17/24, 3:56 PM

its 9 Nm(!)

Hiob•12/17/24, 3:57 PM

How much pull force in kg you get depends on the overall length of your lever. (Axis of rotation to middle of hand)

Hiob•12/17/24, 3:58 PM

5 kg is without any additinal extension and an average flight grip

Hiob•12/17/24, 4:03 PM

(also a bit of smartassing: Newton is the unit of force, kg the unit of mass. What we really mean when we talk about kgs in this context is the equivalent force that a mass of 1 kg excerts in 1 G, which is ~9.8N)

Fierce_Fire•12/17/24, 4:08 PM

to add: you're missing the m in the 9 Nm. This means torque at an axis. To go from torque to force you need to divide by the length of a lever, in this case ~.180m. or 18cm. So in this case we get 49N at the grip. This is ~5kg

ixifelixi•12/17/24, 4:31 PM

Thank you guys for clarifying the meter part. Now math makes sense.

ZZrad Click to see attachment

Raick•12/17/24, 4:45 PM

Loved it

Vertigo (VIV)•12/18/24, 8:43 AM

Can I buy a board +license without motors? I already own a Rhino, and I want to build another one (dont ask). I already have the motors though, I would just need a controller. The one on the website is really cheap and is listed as "replacement", so I assume this is meant to replace an existing board if it breaks, iow, its just the PCB without a firmware license. Im fine paying for the firmware, its what makes this stick magic, but Id rather not pay for 2 motors I dont need. Can I order a "kit without motors"?

VVertigo (VIV)Can I buy a board +license without motors? I already own a Rhino, and I want to ...

walmis•12/18/24, 8:56 AM

You can just grab the replacement board if you already have the motors

Wwalmis You can just grab the replacement board if you already have the motors 🙂

Vertigo (VIV)•12/18/24, 9:23 AM

Seriously? Thats going to be one cheap rhino. You should charge more for the board+firmware. Do I have to / can I change firmware settings to configure which motors Im using, or if I decide to build a rudder first, that its a Z axis controller?

VVertigo (VIV)Can I buy a board +license without motors? I already own a Rhino, and I want to ...

Fierce_Fire•12/18/24, 9:23 AM

I hope you know you need the vp motors if you want to use the board, it has its own controllers

FFierce_Fire I hope you know you need the vp motors if you want to use the board, it has its ...

Vertigo (VIV)•12/18/24, 9:24 AM

ah, the motors are not "default"? In that case, I guess I dont have the motors yet lol

Fierce_Fire•12/18/24, 9:24 AM

Haha, I made the same mistake that's why I warned

Vertigo (VIV)•12/18/24, 9:31 AM

May be an idea to make that a little more clear. Also, I dont see spare motors listed, if these motors are customized, that may be required one day. Or if I want to upgrade to stronger ones. I suppose shelling out 25 euro for a new board as well isnt the end of the world though.

# TelemFFB Update v20241213 Some bug fixes and general enhancements. QoL update for MSFS24 users ti

TelemFFB Update v20241213

General

DCS

IL-2

MSFS

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