what build are you running? Your issue sounds a lot like a known issue on build 83 of the H160 that

what build are you running? Your issue sounds a lot like a known issue on build 83 of the H160 that I've not seen on build 500 of the H145 but Dave (HPG) was surprised they were acting different than eachother. The SEMA values get into a runway state that cause the joystick to chase.

When it occurs, do you see the yellow square chasing the green crosshair on the VMS page?

NNumber481 what build are you running? Your issue sounds a lot like a known issue on build...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:22 PM

Build 500 for the H145

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:22 PM

But I tried the settings dracks showed me and the issue isn't present

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:23 PM

I think it has to do with the dead zone radius and rescaling? I'll have disable each one and check

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:23 PM

It's perhaps the "override trim" who wasnt enabled in your first capture (?)

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:24 PM

MSFS is loading, I can send you my telemFFB settings

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:24 PM

@Number481 it's the override trim. If it isn't checked the stick drifts

DDracks MSFS is loading, I can send you my telemFFB settings

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:24 PM

That would be great.

HH145Rotor-Sims That would be great.

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:25 PM

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:25 PM

@dracks do you fly the H145 in real life?

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:26 PM

If you have an unexplicated "override" on your screen => put higher deadzone values (in axis control).

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:27 PM

Yeah but on the left seat

I'm a old paramedic

HH145Rotor-Sims @Number481 it's the override trim. If it isn't checked the stick drifts

Number481OP•12/27/24, 9:27 PM

override trim in configurator? No, its definitely not that.

The most important thing for the HPG Helis and TelemFFB is that your stick properly centers when hands off. If it is not within "hands off deadzone" percent of center, the helicopter will think you are "hands on". The entire AFCS emulation is predicated on knowing when the user is deflecting the stick from the current center point and the only way we can do that is by axis position since we don't have "force" sensing.

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:27 PM

Now I'm working at the hospital

DDracks Yeah but on the left seat 😉 I'm a old paramedic

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:28 PM

That's awesome!

NNumber481 override trim in configurator? No, its definitely not that. The most important...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:29 PM

When I turn off override trim in the config and I use the trim release the stick drifts. When I turn it on it doesn't.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:33 PM

HH145Rotor-Sims When I turn off override trim in the config and I use the trim release the stick...

Number481OP•12/27/24, 9:33 PM

when you turn it on, all you are doing is masking the problem because configurator is now trying to control the spring offset with the trim buttons you have bound there. I can absolutely promise you that you don't need that enabled. Something else is up.

A clue will be what I asked before about the VMS page

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:34 PM

Yaah you have the override message (right pfd)

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:34 PM

It's a hands-on issue

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:35 PM

Try to put higher values in axis control or the H145 tablet

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:36 PM

I put "None" in the tablet and 15/12% in TelemFFB (I had big shakes in my rig)

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:36 PM

@Number481

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:37 PM

You see the Hands-on in the tablet => rectangle on the word

DDracks You see the Hands-on in the tablet => rectangle on the word

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:38 PM

Yeah that will come on at the same time as the hands on in the vms control page.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:38 PM

I have it set to none and set the telemffb to the same 15/12%

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:39 PM

It's possible you have big vibration on your right (or big effects in TelemFFB)

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:39 PM

Try "ignore" in the tablet

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:39 PM

My rig is not moving completely stationary.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:41 PM

Okay so when set to none it chases the yellow box. When set to ignore it doesn't chase the box but the stick drifts

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:41 PM

I imagine you have a good feel for the VP's engines, though?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:41 PM

@Number481 Is there a solution to this?

DDracks I imagine you have a good feel for the VP's engines, though?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:42 PM

What do you mean?

HH145Rotor-Sims I have it set to none and set the telemffb to the same 15/12%

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:42 PM

Try with higher value. It's so specific for all of our devices

DDracks Try with higher value. It's so specific for all of our devices

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:43 PM

I did. No change

HH145Rotor-Sims What do you mean?

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:44 PM

What I mean is that the vibrations generated by the VP's engines will be felt in your rig. This can lead to high sensitivity, and you'll have to turn up your deadzone.

DDracks What I mean is that the vibrations generated by the VP's engines will be felt in...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:45 PM

I have all those effects off. I won't introduce more variables than needed

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:47 PM

I think we exhausted all the troubleshooting we can. We need to know from the devs

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:49 PM

Number481 is a dev

Number481OP•12/27/24, 9:49 PM

without TelemFFB running (just using hardware trim).. how does your centering look when you go far off center? Needs to be nearly spot on...

NNumber481 without TelemFFB running (just using hardware trim).. how does your centering lo...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:50 PM

Yes it is in all positions

NNumber481 without TelemFFB running (just using hardware trim).. how does your centering lo...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:51 PM

DDracks Number481 is a dev 😉

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:52 PM

Thank for helping

HH145Rotor-Sims Thank for helping

Dracks•12/27/24, 9:54 PM

You're welcome! The important thing is that you can fly without (too much^^) issue !

DDracks You're welcome! The important thing is that you can fly without (too much^^) iss...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 9:55 PM

Yeah it is a bit of an issue after startup because I have to hold the stick or the heli will tip over like it had too many beers lol

Number481OP•12/27/24, 10:00 PM

are you in 20 or 24?

NNumber481 are you in 20 or 24?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 10:01 PM

I won't even bother with 2024 for quite a while. Too many things are broken in the sim itself.

HH145Rotor-Sims 2020. I won't even bother with 2024 for quite a while. Too many things are broke...

Number481OP•12/27/24, 10:10 PM

Thats good cause I haven't even tried the HPGs in 24 yet

We need to step back to basics to figure out where the hangup is.. this is just a basic sanity check and is a copy/paste from another troubleshooting I did some time back (sorry if it seems remedial)...

Start MSFS (do not start TelemFFB yet)

Load into the H145/H160 and start a flight on the runway/helipad
Wait for the avionics and ipad to initialize
Pause MSFS
Now start TelemFFB
- When you start TelemFFB, your stick should suddenly go limp as soon as TelemFFB starts, loads the aircraft info in the telemetry window and realizes the sim is paused
Un-pause MSFS
- When you un-pause, the spring force should return to the stick and it will center
On the center display, press the CTRL button (top right soft key)
Press and hold the Trim Release Button
- Verify that when you press the TR button that 'Trim Release' is highlighted on the center display and "OVERRIDE" is displayed on the right display. It should remain lit until you release the TR button.
- While pressing the TR button, move the stick around and verify that there are no spring forces fighting against you and that the yellow box/green crosshair remain together
- Release the TR button somewhere away from center (but not far enough to upset the helicopter) and verify that the spring forces return and hold your stick in the new position
- Recenter the cyclic either by pressing the
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force_trim_reset_button
```
```
force_trim_reset_button
```
  button, or by holding TR and moving the stick back towards center and then letting go of TR
- Without pressing TR, slightly deflect the stick away from center and verify that "OVERRIDE" is shown on the right display. It should activate if you deflect the stick %5 (by default) away from the center point in any direction. When you release the stick, the "OVERRIDE" message should disappear

However, what you are describing definitley sounds like what B83 of the H160 does (B82 is fine). If the stick starts moving and just tips the heli while stationary on the pad I would suggest trying build 499. For reference, this is what the 160 was doing... https://discord.com/channels/426503612819046401/1159133211868282941/1304970135068479518 (vid I posted on the Hype discord)

NNumber481 Thats good cause I haven't even tried the HPGs in 24 yet 🙂 We need to step bac...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 10:19 PM

I'll give this a shot after dinner. Have to feed the wife lol. I don't want to go back to 499. The heli Flys much better in build 500. If there is an issue on Hypes end perhaps we can have Dave get to the bottom of it

Number481OP•12/27/24, 10:20 PM

I can’t reproduce it on 500 so if you can try 499 to see if that is the issue, it would help.

NNumber481 I can’t reproduce it on 500 so if you can try 499 to see if that is the issue, i...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 10:32 PM

Can't reproduce it on build 500 meaning it is only happening to you on build 499?

what build are you running? Your issue sounds a lot like a known issue on build 83 of the H160 that

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