Yeah but on the left seat 😉 I'm a old paramedic
Yeah but on the left seat 
I'm a old paramedic
I'm a old paramedic
Noverride trim in configurator? No, its definitely not that.
The most important thing for the HPG Helis and TelemFFB is that your stick properly centers when hands off. If it is not within "hands off deadzone" percent of center, the helicopter will think you are "hands on". The entire AFCS emulation is predicated on knowing when the user is deflecting the stick from the current center point and the only way we can do that is by axis position since we don't have "force" sensing.
The most important thing for the HPG Helis and TelemFFB is that your stick properly centers when hands off. If it is not within "hands off deadzone" percent of center, the helicopter will think you are "hands on". The entire AFCS emulation is predicated on knowing when the user is deflecting the stick from the current center point and the only way we can do that is by axis position since we don't have "force" sensing.
DNow I'm working at the hospital
HThat's awesome!
HWhen I turn off override trim in the config and I use the trim release the stick drifts. When I turn it on it doesn't.
HNwhen you turn it on, all you are doing is masking the problem because configurator is now trying to control the spring offset with the trim buttons you have bound there. I can absolutely promise you that you don't need that enabled. Something else is up.
A clue will be what I asked before about the VMS page
A clue will be what I asked before about the VMS page
DYaah you have the override message (right pfd)
DIt's a hands-on issue
DTry to put higher values in axis control or the H145 tablet
DI put "None" in the tablet and 15/12% in TelemFFB (I had big shakes in my rig)
H@Number481
DYou see the Hands-on in the tablet => rectangle on the word
HYeah that will come on at the same time as the hands on in the vms control page.
HI have it set to none and set the telemffb to the same 15/12%
DIt's possible you have big vibration on your right (or big effects in TelemFFB)
DTry "ignore" in the tablet
HMy rig is not moving completely stationary.
HOkay so when set to none it chases the yellow box. When set to ignore it doesn't chase the box but the stick drifts
DI imagine you have a good feel for the VP's engines, though?
H@Number481 Is there a solution to this?
HWhat do you mean?
DTry with higher value. It's so specific for all of our devices
HI did. No change
DWhat I mean is that the vibrations generated by the VP's engines will be felt in your rig. This can lead to high sensitivity, and you'll have to turn up your deadzone.
HI have all those effects off. I won't introduce more variables than needed
HI think we exhausted all the troubleshooting we can. We need to know from the devs
DNumber481 is a dev
Nwithout TelemFFB running (just using hardware trim).. how does your centering look when you go far off center? Needs to be nearly spot on...
HYes it is in all positions
HThank for helping
DYou're welcome! The important thing is that you can fly without (too much^^) issue !
HYeah it is a bit of an issue after startup because I have to hold the stick or the heli will tip over like it had too many beers lol
Nare you in 20 or 24?
H- I won't even bother with 2024 for quite a while. Too many things are broken in the sim itself.
NThats good cause I haven't even tried the HPGs in 24 yet 
We need to step back to basics to figure out where the hangup is.. this is just a basic sanity check and is a copy/paste from another troubleshooting I did some time back (sorry if it seems remedial)...
Start MSFS (do not start TelemFFB yet)
We need to step back to basics to figure out where the hangup is.. this is just a basic sanity check and is a copy/paste from another troubleshooting I did some time back (sorry if it seems remedial)...
Start MSFS (do not start TelemFFB yet)
- Load into the H145/H160 and start a flight on the runway/helipad
- Wait for the avionics and ipad to initialize
- Pause MSFS
- Now start TelemFFB
- When you start TelemFFB, your stick should suddenly go limp as soon as TelemFFB starts, loads the aircraft info in the telemetry window and realizes the sim is paused
- Un-pause MSFS
- When you un-pause, the spring force should return to the stick and it will center
- On the center display, press the CTRL button (top right soft key)
- Press and hold the Trim Release Button
- Verify that when you press the TR button that 'Trim Release' is highlighted on the center display and "OVERRIDE" is displayed on the right display. It should remain lit until you release the TR button.
- While pressing the TR button, move the stick around and verify that there are no spring forces fighting against you and that the yellow box/green crosshair remain together
- Release the TR button somewhere away from center (but not far enough to upset the helicopter) and verify that the spring forces return and hold your stick in the new position
- Recenter the cyclic either by pressing the
force_trim_reset_buttonbutton, or by holding TR and moving the stick back towards center and then letting go of TR - Without pressing TR, slightly deflect the stick away from center and verify that "OVERRIDE" is shown on the right display. It should activate if you deflect the stick %5 (by default) away from the center point in any direction. When you release the stick, the "OVERRIDE" message should disappear
HI'll give this a shot after dinner. Have to feed the wife lol. I don't want to go back to 499. The heli Flys much better in build 500. If there is an issue on Hypes end perhaps we can have Dave get to the bottom of it
NI can’t reproduce it on 500 so if you can try 499 to see if that is the issue, it would help.
HCan't reproduce it on build 500 meaning it is only happening to you on build 499?
NCan’t reproduce it at all. But sounds similar to an issue that was seen on the latest 160 build. Dave said he made the same changes to 160_b83 and 145_b500. I’ve not heard of anyone with issues on b500 but that doesn’t mean there isn’t something unique triggering it.
HCan you export both your vp config file and the file for the telemffb and send over to me? Let me try that and see if the issue is gone.
HOkay tried with Build 499 exactly as shown above same issue.
Nthats good.. means it should be something simple...
My configurator profile won't do you any good. The only important thing is that you have sufficient spring force enabled in the settings tab and that your centering is sufficient, which yours appears to be. Do disable the "override trim" though as that will only mess things up further and make it impossible to find the issue.
From a TelemFFB perspective, literally the only thing you should have to do from the default config is bind your TR button.
Did you go through the basics steps above?
My configurator profile won't do you any good. The only important thing is that you have sufficient spring force enabled in the settings tab and that your centering is sufficient, which yours appears to be. Do disable the "override trim" though as that will only mess things up further and make it impossible to find the issue.
From a TelemFFB perspective, literally the only thing you should have to do from the default config is bind your TR button.
Did you go through the basics steps above?
HI did disable override trim. As for telemffb that's exactly what I did initially was simply bind the TR. Yes I went through the steps in the exact both in build 499 and 500. Same issue. I know the spring force is set properly. No issue when telem ffb isn't running
NI need to know which part of the steps I outlined doesn't work. The entire AFCS implementation in TelemFFB is dependent on all of what I wrote working as described.
HThe stick did not go limp when I started telem ffb
HIs there a way to default the entire telemffb?
Nthen restart it
HI'll give that shot and then just bind the TR button but from what I understand axis control and trim follow is not on by default. Correct?
Nits on by default for the HPG Helicopter type since its required for the AFCS implementation... which brings another point.. I believe you said you were using the default HEMS livery.. but just in case.. make sure TelemFFB is matching on the default profile (i.e., it doesn't pop up and want you to create a new profile). If you're seeing the new aircraft popup.. let me know.
