I need to know which part of the steps I outlined doesn't work. The entire AFCS implementation in T

I need to know which part of the steps I outlined doesn't work. The entire AFCS implementation in TelemFFB is dependent on all of what I wrote working as described.

NNumber481 I need to know which part of the steps I outlined doesn't work. The entire AFCS...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:21 AM

The stick did not go limp when I started telem ffb

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:23 AM

Is there a way to default the entire telemffb?

Number481OP•12/28/24, 12:25 AM

then restart it

NNumber481 then restart it

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:27 AM

I'll give that shot and then just bind the TR button but from what I understand axis control and trim follow is not on by default. Correct?

Number481OP•12/28/24, 12:29 AM

its on by default for the HPG Helicopter type since its required for the AFCS implementation... which brings another point.. I believe you said you were using the default HEMS livery.. but just in case.. make sure TelemFFB is matching on the default profile (i.e., it doesn't pop up and want you to create a new profile). If you're seeing the new aircraft popup.. let me know.

NNumber481 its on by default for the HPG Helicopter type since its required for the AFCS im...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:32 AM

It hasn't prompted me to create a new profile and did show matched

Number481OP•12/28/24, 12:32 AM

also remember that the tablet settings are per livery

NNumber481 also remember that the tablet settings are per livery

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:33 AM

This I know because I had changed them for each type as described in the vp force manual.

Number481OP•12/28/24, 12:38 AM

another stupid question.. the axis dot in configurator moves in the correct direction as you manipulate the stick (ie not reversed)? I know this is a stupid question because you already said you don't have anything mapped in the sim and I'm pretty sure you'd have noticed if the stick was moving backwards in the sim

but if the direction was reversed it could cause a runway condition, so I gotta rule it out...

NNumber481 another stupid question.. the axis dot in configurator moves in the correct dir...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:43 AM

Okay so I reset the config in telemffb. Exit. Went in fs2020. Loaded aircraft, waited for avionics to fire up. Paused. Started telemffb. Mapped my TR button, verified that the heli has a match in telemffb. Unpause sim, same issue.

Yes the direction of my movements move in the direction I move the cyclic. Nothing is reversed

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:47 AM

When I load into the aircraft the stick does not move. Stays put but the 2nd I hit the trim release that is when my heli went to the bar and had a few to many

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:50 AM

Trim follow is not on by default. I have it off currently

Number481OP•12/28/24, 12:52 AM

in TelemFFB can you quickly try binding TR to some other button than your usual TR button? any other button on your cyclic will do... just to see if the behavior is any different.

What you are seeing is not something I have ever seen or every heard of anyone else seeing

NNumber481 in TelemFFB can you quickly try binding TR to some other button than your usual ...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:54 AM

Tried a different button. Same result.

NNumber481 in TelemFFB can you quickly try binding TR to some other button than your usual ...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:57 AM

I don't know what's going on and why this happening. I can also try my laptop. I have an instance of fs2020 on it. I can hook up just the stick to that and try and see if I have the same issue.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 12:57 AM

Since the memory is stored in the stick shouldn't be an issue

HH145Rotor-Sims I don't know what's going on and why this happening. I can also try my laptop. I...

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:01 AM

my next best suggestion is if you can screen share with me so I can look at TelemFFB, configurator and the sim at the same time to see what's going haywire. We can try the discord voice chat but the only time I've tried that, the screen sharing resolution was pretty bad (may have been a bandwidth issue from the other user.. not sure)

NNumber481 my next best suggestion is if you can screen share with me so I can look at Tele...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:03 AM

Let me try the laptop. Booting up now. This will rule out a pc issue. Next I have another stick I can try to

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:05 AM

are you using a USB hub? If so, any chance you can try direct attach to motherboard? (I know your setup isn't exactly portable

). I've not seen issues specific to MSFS or the 145.. but some folks did have wierd force trim centering issues on the latest rhino firmware that were ultimately caused by their USB hubs (grasping at straws here).

NNumber481 are you using a USB hub? If so, any chance you can try direct attach to motherb...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:12 AM

Okay same issue happens on the laptop. No USB hub. Plugged directly into the laptop

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:16 AM

Okay I just tried a different random joystick. I mapped a button to TR. Same issue. This it not a pc or joystick hardware issue.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:17 AM

I wonder is dracks is having the same issue and he gets around it because he has hardware force trim on

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:17 AM

what do you mean another random joystick

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:17 AM

no.. hardware force trim has nothing to do with it.. it is all modeled in TelemFFB

NNumber481 no.. hardware force trim has nothing to do with it.. it is all modeled in TelemF...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:20 AM

I wanted to rule out that my max flight stick cyclic top wasn't the issue so what I did was unplug ghr max flight take a VKB joystick plug that in, ran loop back, found a button, bound, set it in telemffb and press the button on the vkb while I phsycially moved the joystick gimbal with my other hand. Same issue

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:22 AM

By using the laptop this also rules out FSUIPC and Mobiflight. I don't have any of that extra stuff on the laptop

HH145Rotor-Sims By using the laptop this also rules out FSUIPC and Mobiflight. I don't have any ...

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:28 AM

if you want to jump in voice https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511383084 we can try to screen share and I can look at it live.. I can't think of what else to have you try but if I see it live and can watch TelemFFB data and configurator it might jump out at me

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:29 AM

Would zoom call be easier?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 1:30 AM

I use discord on my phone not sure how screen share works

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:31 AM

zoom/teams/whatever will work.. as long as I can see your desktop will DM you

Number481OP•12/28/24, 1:31 AM

if you don't use discord on your PC I dont think it will work well to try to screen share

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:35 AM

Just an update guys, @number481 helped me get the cyclic drift issue resolved. He had me set the hands off detection from 2% to 5% and he had me run a bunch of tests and all is working.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:40 AM

@Dracks I can confirm that hardware force trim does not need to be checked off in order to function. In the screenshots you sent me I saw it was on.

Mike T•12/28/24, 2:42 AM

Wow……hats off to Number481

…..tremendous support!

MMike T Wow……hats off to Number481👍…..tremendous support!

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:42 AM

Agreed! Amazing people here. We jumped on call together and we walked through a bunch of scenarios and tests. Love this group!

Mike T•12/28/24, 2:45 AM

“Hands off detection”……is that the “Hans on and off dead zone under Axis control in Telemffb??? Can’t see it anywhere else?

MMike T “Hands off detection”……is that the “Hans on and off dead zone under Axis control...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:46 AM

Hold on I'll get you a screenshot

MMike T “Hands off detection”……is that the “Hans on and off dead zone under Axis control...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 2:54 AM

Number481OP•12/28/24, 3:00 AM

I'm not entirely convinced that the hands-off detection zone was the original culprit, but it is really the only setting we changed from default.. either way I'll take it as a win.

In general however, it is important to make sure that you get reliable hands on/off detection ("OVERRIDE" visible/absent on the PFD) when deflecting the stick against the spring and then releasing it back to center. If you don't reliably get "hands off" (OVERRIDE goes away), AFCS thinks you are still manually overriding and so won't "do its thing".. however simply being in a constant override state should not cause the runaway condition that was originally being seen.

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f14billy•12/28/24, 3:00 AM

So it was something simple! Just had to figure out what it was

f14billy•12/28/24, 3:03 AM

The fact that the software can detect a hands on/hands off setting is amazing to me. So cool.

Ff14billy So it was something simple! Just had to figure out what it was 😂

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:03 AM

Yeah, so odd. We really only changed one thing but here's the kicker I went and plugged the rhino into the laptop. Completely separated from my desktop. It did the same exact thing where it drifted. 1 usb cable, no extra programs besides loop back and telem.

HH145Rotor-Sims Is there a way to default the entire telemffb?

smitty•12/28/24, 3:03 AM

system menu, open config/log directory. rename userconfig.xml to somethign else. reopen telemffb

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:04 AM

For shits and giggles tomorrow I'm going to plug back into my laptop and leave the 2% hands off and see if it drifts again. If it does I'll set to 5% and see if the problem disappears. This will indicate its most likely the default value of 2% was the culprit in my use case.

Ssmitty system menu, open config/log directory. rename userconfig.xml to somethign else...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:05 AM

Gotta go way back in the convo lol.

Ssmitty system menu, open config/log directory. rename userconfig.xml to somethign else...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:06 AM

smitty•12/28/24, 3:06 AM

maybe? never tried that.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:07 AM

I thought maybe it was my flight stick so on my laptop I plugged a vkb into the lap top and removed the max flight stick. I bound a button from the vkb joystick as trim release and manually moved the gimbal by hand and still got the drift. Ruled out pc and hardware

smitty•12/28/24, 3:09 AM

either way would get you a fresh install. but, its nicer to just edit the xml file and trash individual settings you dont want. or just click the X button on the right side of settings. scalpel vs. sledgehammer

Ssmitty either way would get you a fresh install. but, its nicer to just edit the xml fi...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:10 AM

It's nice to know that's another option you pointed out. I like sledgehammers

I need to know which part of the steps I outlined doesn't work. The entire AFCS implementation in T

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