Oh Boy I’ve got a lot to learn. I have the VP rhino, finished my VP based pedals with FTR pedal s

Oh Boy I’ve got a lot to learn. I have the VP rhino, finished my VP based pedals with FTR pedal switch and half way finished my VP based collective. All this so I can fly the excellent X-Trident A109SP……it’s so close to the real SP I fly……so keen to emulate the 4-axis AFCS based controls.
BTW what time zone are you guys? Just for future reference as I’m sure to need a nudge or two in the right direction! I’m in GMT+10
Cheers

MMike T Oh Boy I’ve got a lot to learn. I have the VP rhino, finished my VP based ped...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:29 AM

Looking forward to seeing your setup. I'm on the EST time.

Mike TOP•12/28/24, 3:30 AM

EST? Is that in the USA?…….GMT-5?

MMike T EST? Is that in the USA?…….GMT-5?

Number481•12/28/24, 3:34 AM

Yes, -5 here on the us east coast. The A109 test build I sent you is a very rough 1st draft, cyclic only implementation. Lot of work left to try to bring it up to par with the implementation for the HPG helicopters.

MMike T EST? Is that in the USA?…….GMT-5?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:36 AM

Yeah

Mike TOP•12/28/24, 4:01 AM

<@Number481> ….I know……it would be great if it can as it’s such a very well modelled SP…….in fact as I now fly mostly the AW139 and 169 I use the SP for self currency to keep my grey cells in-tune with it

. X-Trident is not on Discord but on X-plane forum……there are many SP users that would benefit from using the VP based controls…….here’s hoping you can do some of your magic

cheers

Firaga•12/28/24, 2:01 PM

My power input connection was pushed inside the base when plugging in the power cord. I was able to pull it back with sharp tweezers but it is escaping again when trying to plug in the power connector. The screws are also not holding it in place.

What is the easiest way to get inside to support this piece from the other side? Bottom plate? Would not want to tear the whole base apart.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 3:57 PM

@Number481 did some more testing this time on the laptop. The hands off sensitivity isn't the issue. My laptop I was on build 499. I immediately had the issue. I then upgraded telemffb to 20241213. Issue still present. I shut down the sim and installed build 500. Loaded back into the sim (telemffb) and issue was gone. So it appears you need build 500 and you need to reinstall it. This is also of course ensuring ipad settings in the sim are set per the manual

HH145Rotor-Sims @Number481 did some more testing this time on the laptop. The hands off sensitiv...

Number481•12/28/24, 4:10 PM

Hmm... still doesn't add up to any sort of "aha" moment unless your install was corrupted on both your desktop and your laptop somehow which seems highly unlikely. But, good to know in case someone runs into similar issue on the 145 in the future.

NNumber481 Hmm... still doesn't add up to any sort of "aha" moment unless your install was...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 4:12 PM

Yeah its so strange. First thing I would try is just copying over the build

HH145Rotor-Sims Yeah its so strange. First thing I would try is just copying over the build

Number481•12/28/24, 4:25 PM

something unrelated that occurred to me this morning when I read your wishlist post about the loopback app.

Your cyclic and collective grips are technically the same device ("arduino micro") right?

Something I added into TelemFFB a while ago that might help you...

The master instance also sends the button press events it sees to the child instances. So with the loopback app running with the arduino as source and your joystick as destination you should be able to bind the collective TR press in the collective TelemFFB instance without having a second loopback app running connected to the collective.

Since the joystick instance of loopback should also see the button presses from your collective grip, the master instance of TelemFFB will send those events to the collective instance.

NNumber481 something unrelated that occurred to me this morning when I read your wishlist p...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 5:04 PM

I'm definitely going to give this a shot.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 5:15 PM

@Number481 Any possibility to link dual controls and have them move accordingly without having a phsycial mechanical connection I.E software?

HH145Rotor-Sims @Number481 Any possibility to link dual controls and have them move accordingly ...

Number481•12/28/24, 5:43 PM

TelemFFB isn't really designed in a way that would accommodate that and it only understands a single instance each of joystick/pedals/collective. It would be quite an overhaul to put the right pieces in place. And even then, you would need some means of manual handoff to know which was acting as the master at any point in time. It wouldn't be possible to have them both active and following each other at the same time.

NNumber481 TelemFFB isn't really designed in a way that would accommodate that and it only ...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/28/24, 5:46 PM

I wonder how brunner is doing it. They must sense pressure and see which is applying force and the software takes it from there. I could always mechanically link but I fear it may put too much stress on the motors even though they are 86s

Number481•12/28/24, 5:51 PM

not sure unless there is some sort of deadzone between the two. The spring effect is responsible not only for providing the spring force, but is also what drives the center of the stick. If you had both following eachother you would end up with a feedback loop that would result in them following eachother but with no felt spring force since the center position of one would feedback into the other as you move it.

FFiraga My power input connection was pushed inside the base when plugging in the power ...

LeLv30_Superbus•12/28/24, 7:11 PM

You shouldn't have to open it. I glued the connector back to the plastic part with locktite, has held for 1½ years.

LLeLv30_Superbus You shouldn't have to open it. I glued the connector back to the plastic part wi...

Firaga•12/28/24, 7:12 PM

Will try that. Thanks

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 1:42 AM

Hoping this will help some with balancing their spring: https://youtu.be/PSRmI5Bj0OE

YouTubeRotor - Sims

You Have To Get This Right on Your Rhino #forcefeedback

In this video I show you how to balance your rhino spring to work properly for the H145 and H160

HH145Rotor-Sims Hoping this will help some with balancing their spring: https://youtu.be/PSRmI5B...

f14billy•12/29/24, 3:34 AM

Awesome video! Can't wait to see you fly using the full setup.

Ff14billy Awesome video! Can't wait to see you fly using the full setup.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 3:36 AM

Thanks for watching! Next are the anti torques. Still have to order a 2nd seat for the sim lol. Just bought a gentex heli helmet from my friend Phil in Germany.

LLeLv30_Superbus You shouldn't have to open it. I glued the connector back to the plastic part wi...

Firaga•12/29/24, 7:18 AM

This solved it for me. Cheers.

HH145Rotor-Sims Hoping this will help some with balancing their spring: https://youtu.be/PSRmI5B...

corbu1•12/29/24, 7:38 AM

Great video and such a beautiful cockpit!!!! Wow! So awesome!

HrEple•12/29/24, 8:11 AM

Really appreciate the video. A great explanation of something I haven't done much about when flying the AH64 in DCS.

amadeus•12/29/24, 10:07 AM

There’s a few things to be careful of in that video tho: for starters, his power settings are for the large motors, I recommend most users shouldn’t mess with the default power settings unless you built the large motor kit.

Another thing - it shows calibration but never talks about force compensation which is also important. When forces increase, full deflection of the stick won’t trigger your max axis range

HrEple•12/29/24, 10:57 AM

So dont touch 30 / 7 for motor current / psu current that are the defaults then. And thanks for the clarification. I do like the "feeling" of the stick after having worked with the settings and static force. I found my 20 mm gooseneck and virpil grip to require way less balance spring than him.

HHrEple So dont touch 30 / 7 for motor current / psu current that are the defaults then....

amadeus•12/29/24, 12:34 PM

Yup! The default power settings are all you should need and anything much higher will probably exceed the limits of your power supply or motor. I imagine it won’t damage anything, but probably prematurely shut down? Someone who’s more knowledgeable about that could probably weigh in

amadeus•12/29/24, 12:35 PM

(Assuming your rhino is one that Walmis built)

HrEple•12/29/24, 12:57 PM

Lovingly built by the man, myth and legend himself

Ccorbu1 Great video and such a beautiful cockpit!!!! Wow! So awesome!

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 1:00 PM

Thanks for watching and the kind comments! It's one heck of cockpit!Alot of work but worth the effort!

Aamadeus There’s a few things to be careful of in that video tho: for starters, his power...

Reed•12/29/24, 1:01 PM

Why is this? If you hold trim release you can then go full length axis.

HHrEple Really appreciate the video. A great explanation of something I haven't done muc...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 1:01 PM

Glad it can help and thank you for watching!

RReed Why is this? If you hold trim release you can then go full length axis.

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:03 PM

So forget about helicopter specific stuff for the moment. If spring forces are at their strongest, there’s gonna be some stretch and flex in the system, which will mean when you physically move the stick to full deflection against that force it will register the axis digitally around maybe 90% instead of 100% like you calibrated

Reed•12/29/24, 1:05 PM

Yeah, in DCS I’ve noticed in the 58 and 64 and OH six that if I’ve trimmed to the center where it is when you start the game or I reset my trim. I can take my cyclic and move it all the way to the left and right and four and afterand in the VP for software the little circle will go to its full access link however in the game with Short about 25% now do the same maneuver while holding trim release and the VP for software and DCS match up one to one. It’s really weird.

Aamadeus Yup! The default power settings are all you should need and anything much higher...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 1:05 PM

If you set the PSU current of that of your power supply with some head room you shouldn't be experiencing any overheating and shutdown. The 30 amp can be set for the motor. It's safe to do. With heli, constant power really isn't an issue and you set your globals very high but if your effects are low you are fine. It can be a problem if you globals and effects are set all to 100%

Reed•12/29/24, 1:05 PM

I can make a video to help tomorrow when I get off shift

Aamadeus So forget about helicopter specific stuff for the moment. If spring forces are a...

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:05 PM

You can work around this by either adjusting force compensation or by manually changing the calibration so it hits 100% earlier than full deflection

Aamadeus You can work around this by either adjusting force compensation or by manually c...

Reed•12/29/24, 1:06 PM

How do I do either of those?

HH145Rotor-Sims If you set the PSU current of that of your power supply with some head room you ...

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:07 PM

Sure, I’m just saying our babby rhino power supplies are rated much lower than yours

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:08 PM

Max PSU Current should be around 6 or 7 I believe

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:08 PM

(Not at a computer atm)

RReed How do I do either of those?

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:09 PM

It’s a bit more involved, not hard, just annoying to explain over text

Reed•12/29/24, 1:09 PM

Makes sense can you put me in the direction of a resource? If one doesn’t exist, I can hop one in a few days after I get off work.

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:11 PM

I’m just about to take off :KEK: so later on I can probably write up a bit more

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 1:12 PM

I speak about the PSU current in the beginning. You set your PSU based on what you use. If you happen to be on 220v the amperage draw will be half.

Aamadeus I’m just about to take off :KEK: so later on I can probably write up a bit more

Reed•12/29/24, 1:12 PM

Thanks Homie. I appreciate that. Be careful and enjoy wherever you’re going.

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:15 PM

Just returning home, was in Germany with family, but back home to California

Aamadeus Max PSU Current should be around 6 or 7 I believe

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 1:20 PM

This depends on what your are using and what voltage you are running. You have to look at the specs of the PSU and set accordingly so the controller will not request more than what the PSU is capable of delivering. The kits don't come with a PSU unless you buy a fullt built unit from Walmis. If you are building yourself, it's user preference on the PSU. 220v if you have it is much better. Cuts the amperage draw in half which is nice.

amadeus•12/29/24, 1:27 PM

That’s precisely what I’m talking about. I’d reckon most people here who have rhinos have a power supply from walmis or bought one based on the prebuilt rhino, so those numbers aren’t going to be copy paste for most people. Thus my warning is all.

Aamadeus That’s precisely what I’m talking about. I’d reckon most people here who have rh...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/29/24, 1:38 PM

No worries at all. Definitely not copy and paste. Settings need to be checked. I'll post and pin a comment on the vid just in case. Have a safe trip back.

HH145Rotor-Sims Hoping this will help some with balancing their spring: https://youtu.be/PSRmI5B...

Red Magic•12/29/24, 3:10 PM

Interesting. I'd never thought about a balance spring since I don't have an extention for my setup. But definitely looks handy

Oh Boy I’ve got a lot to learn. I have the VP rhino, finished my VP based pedals with FTR pedal s

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