Can anyone help me with dialing in my Rhino for the F4? I’m having a hell of a time getting it to fe
Can anyone help me with dialing in my Rhino for the F4? I’m having a hell of a time getting it to feel right.
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TYou’re aware of the bellows system right?
The phantom doesn’t really fly like a normal airframe but that’s what makes her special.
The phantom doesn’t really fly like a normal airframe but that’s what makes her special.
VYea, no I know. Just was looking for help with getting it dialed in a little better than what I have it at now. At least, hoping.
MBasically dial the gain up in DCS F4 special options to something you find comfortable at low speed and lower overall Rhino gain if you find it too stiff at high speed. And that's it. I don't think any other stick special options make a difference with FFB enabled, but I have them unchecked to be sure, and my gain is 200% roll, 250% pitch
MHeatblur simulation of the bellows system does not make much sense unless you have a stick 10x more powerful than stock Rhino, but it is what it is and we're stuck with it
THow is the bellows system supposed to feel? What about the roll?
THaving never flown the real thing or a real plane, I have no idea what anything is supposed to be like. So everything is just what feels right to me. But I’ve also always been on desk mounted spring centering sticks so I always wonder if that makes me biased to what feels right.
MMore or less what Heatblur did, but much heavier overall. The real system works in a something like 0-60 kgf range, so it goes from "quite heavy" at takeoff speed to "very heavy" at high speed. But with the same force gradient that Heatblur copied from the real world, our joysticks go from "almost nothing" at takeoff speed, to "okay" at high speed.
TSounds like then the overall implementation is good like you said. It’s just that because of the various forces available they gave us the gain adjustments. I understand now. I definitely feel the pitch get heavier at high speed. But have adjusted gain so it’s not too heavy.
TThanks for the explanation
FYeah, I am fine with the default forces. Don't want to destroy the gimbal. Lol
MThe problem is that if you crank up the gain in DCS settings you can get 'okay' force at low speed, but quickly saturate ffb and loose the dynamics at high speed
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RHINO #0776 Has Shipped!MThe module would benefit from a different speed/gain curve, more in line with other DCS addons.
CI did end up putting a curve in an F4 specific VPForce config and using telem FFB to load that config when I fly the F4
FGood luck destroying it, it can take quite the punch
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RHINO #0856 Has Shipped!TBut why have the gains at all, seems simple to say at X speed spring % is 50 and at y speed spring % is 100.
TWould it be better to leave DCS gains at 100 and tune dynamic spring in VPconfig?
Mwell, that's an option too, play with rhino settings to alter spring gain there. The thing is that F-4 at 100% gain outputs only something around 10% FFB spring force at 200 kts, so you need to bump it considerably on the VPconfig side
TSo basically they’ve designed it for someone who has a FFB stick that can output 60kgf at max. And us mere mortals have to use the gains to try to bump the curve up to actually feel it.
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KThis one's mine! Now I'm just sat patiently waiting for the VKB BlackBox to come back in stock on their European site (or better yet be sold on the UK site) so I can actually use it...
BMine is #854 UK too, was hoping for my Birthday, which is today, but its coming Wednesday which is my Wedding Anniversary, I bet my wife will be thrilled ....
KHappy Birthday! A Rhino is the perfect wedding anniversary present for your wife, as it's sure to keep you out of her hair for longer.
PLooking for advice and opinions, going to build a Rhino , collecting parts now, but am trying to decide which version, the Gadroc with 57BLF03 motors or go with TheAmazinGreat version with 86BLF04 motors, It looks like I may be able to mount either in my rig, but will require a 8 to 9 inch (220m) extension. I fly DCS Warbirds and with an extension that long have issues with the 57BLF03 motors overheating? I am leaning to the 86BLF04 motors because I could always turn the torque down, but what is the survivability of a 3d printed gimbal for a extension this long?
TMy extension is 250-300mm depending on where you measure from and haven’t had any issues with the gimbal. If you want some extra strength you can look into the Monster Rhino kits that @SR-FWinger[73]_David provides. He includes a laser sintered PA12 gimbal for some extra assurance.
TI haven’t flown any warbirds on it but recently started learning the F4E. Before that, mostly the Hind. So not the biggest workout in terms of strength testing but it seems great. I also run mine at 75% spring setting so that equates to about 1.5x standard Rhino torque.
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SBoth available now. Die to popular lower pricing demand i added the Option to Print the Gimbal from petg-cf and only have the connector in pa12
FFYI, the forces on the gimbal are close to the same for each motor/pulley combination, irrespective of what your extension is.
HSuch an extension is used by a lot of Rhino users. (Including me). It isn't a problem for the Gimbal. It just reduces the max (pull-)force you can experience at the grip. So if you think that more is better, go for the Monster-Rhino. Otherwise the "small" Rhino is just fine.
MCan’t find any info in the VPF manual v0.81 on the VPF shift register …….where do I find the documentation on the use of this pcb? Ta
WWire the serial interface like shown:
Each button has common GND, so connect each button to each pin on the shift register and other end to GND
Each button has common GND, so connect each button to each pin on the shift register and other end to GND
MThanks, didn’t realise DI goes to DO on VP board.
Also how does it come up in the sim (like X- Plane), is it there you map the commands or do you map /bind commands in the VP configurator app?
Also how does it come up in the sim (like X- Plane), is it there you map the commands or do you map /bind commands in the VP configurator app?
WIt works as a regular shift-register input like the Thrustmaster grip, nothing fancy - just button inputs
MOk thanks, will wire up and try it out…..
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CStill on the waitlist but only one month left. So I prepare my pit. I intend to use a vkb grip with the vkb adapter but the question of the black box is not clear. According to the vkb site the black box is not required anymore since the mk IV serie does not need it. BTW the blackbox is out of stock. Looks like it's obsolete. Could someone clarify ? Thanks in advance
AHave you still not heard anything from them? Can't they send you the info/layout/details necessary if it's a long way off otherwise?
A(Just picked mine up, and man does it hurt having to put it back in the box until the FLNKR is integrated into the Rhino software 
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RI'm surprised they didn't gift him one. Because well, Walmis...
DAnd folks, even though I understand what you're saying (and would love to see Walmis tinkering with our FLNKR profiles), we've got to remember that Virpil ships based on pre-orders. After all, I don't think they get an alert when he's ordered his grip 
DAnd he'll surely have the same surprise as us when he sees that a parcel is being delivered 
ADoes sound a bit off that he should have to pay to make their product useful for more customers
AI mean, if it wouldn’t at some point become Rhino compatible, that’s a lot of VPC products which wouldn’t have been relevant to me
RBeing Rhino owners we are pretty aware of pre-orders. Not even complaining about it. Just waiting for a shipping notice…
KI think a BlackBox is still needed. I certainly need one for my VKB Gladiator EVO grip. They released a new BlackBox Mk3 version in the last year.
The US store has it, as does their Aliexpress store. But the Europe store has been out of stock for a while, and it doesn't list the Mk3 version.
I have my Rhino now, but unfortunately can't use it until the Europe store has the BlackBox back in stock. The VKB Aliexpress store doesn't ship to the UK any longer.
I'd check to see if the Aliexpress store ships to your country, and perhaps ask in the VKB discord about whether you need one for your particular grip.
The US store has it, as does their Aliexpress store. But the Europe store has been out of stock for a while, and it doesn't list the Mk3 version.
I have my Rhino now, but unfortunately can't use it until the Europe store has the BlackBox back in stock. The VKB Aliexpress store doesn't ship to the UK any longer.
I'd check to see if the Aliexpress store ships to your country, and perhaps ask in the VKB discord about whether you need one for your particular grip.
ATo be fair, the FFBeast guy had an early copy sometime in November, maybe even October
