DCS AH-64 TRIM ISSUE! ！HELP!!I had update the newest firmware an telemffb software. When i press the

DCS AH-64 TRIM ISSUE! ！HELP!!I had update the newest firmware an telemffb software. When i press the Trim release button, there is a ID9 spring effect with a new center position and the ID1 spring effect with the 00 center is fade .then i release the Trim button and a few second later,the ID9 spring effect is gone and the ID1 spring effect is back .My stick get a force back to the 00 center. It's not the way for a heli Triming. the stick should be stay in the new certer position.

KKenZeng DCS AH-64 TRIM ISSUE! ！HELP!!I had update the newest firmware an telemffb softwa...

Number481•1/17/25, 4:34 PM

"Trim release Damper" is not "force trim". It is a effect which, temporarily overrides the games spring effect in order to provide a configurable dampening feel while you have trim-release depressed. When you release the button, it hands control of the spring effect back to DCS. DCS itself manages the center position of the primary spring effect.

Disable the trim release damper feature, then troubleshoot why force trim isn't working with DCS (doesn't require telemffb to be running at all).

NNumber481 "Trim release Damper" is not "force trim". It is a effect which, temporarily ov...

KenZengOP•1/17/25, 4:58 PM

thanks , i will try the dcs force trim tomorrow

DeadlyMercury•1/17/25, 5:28 PM

Hello, I have a problem with ffb inversion and there is a chance it's because I mounted rhino backwards with usb ports facing back.
After that I disabled inversion for X axis and enabled inversion for Y axis - so pitch and roll control displayed correctly. After that in Il-2 - when I am trimming elevator - it is correct, stick goes into nose heavy or tail heavy according to both button description and cockpit indication if present.
But aileron trim works the opposite way - when I trim left - stick goes to the right, opposing both default keybinding, button desctiption, cockpit indication and visually aileron should be moving the opposit way, it follows the trimmer deflection which is incorrect and should be oppossite, trimmer should push aileron and not make it follow it.
ELP.

DeadlyMercury•1/17/25, 5:35 PM

If I invert X axis - seems ffb works correctly, but axis is now inverted in tester utility and in game (which is not really a problem since game can invert it anyway)
But probably there is some setting I need to do if I want to mount device in backward orientation?

DeadlyMercury•1/17/25, 6:02 PM

... ok, seems axis inversion inverts both axis and ffb effect on said axis, because in DCS I have both ffb and axis inverted now. In that case for some reason roll FFB is inverted in Il-2 great battles specifically for some reason.

Bob Bushman•1/17/25, 6:05 PM

You need to invert in the vpconfigurator not the games.

DeadlyMercury•1/17/25, 6:07 PM

Yes, I did that initially and I had X and Y behaving normally in tester / windows devices and so on. But FFB in roll channel is inverted in Il-2 great battles with that.
While it works correctly in DCS, stick follows roll trimmer correctly. So the issue is not in ffb (I am also using direct input, not ffb telemetry yet)

Ff14billy Removing the top wall should give you good access to the gimbal screws. Try tigh...

frumpy•1/17/25, 7:23 PM

By "removing the top wall" you mean removing 30 screws? I did it, but what now? I don't see how it gave me any more access to screws that I have not been able to access before. Which screws should I check? @walmis ?

Ffrumpy By "removing the top wall" you mean removing 30 screws? I did it, but what now? ...

slowmover•1/17/25, 7:49 PM

I think he means those here

f14billy•1/17/25, 8:15 PM

If those don't help you will probably need to also take the bottom plate out and tighten the ones under the gimbal.

recoilfx•1/18/25, 12:53 AM

I just updated my firmware for my DIY pedals. I have an arduino that outputs the Winwing data structure to emulate the brake axes, but the latest firmware update says that the Winwing adapter is not detected and my axes no longer work. Does anyone know what's going on or which grip profile I should use instead?

recoilfx•1/18/25, 2:05 AM

Ahh I figured it out based on the SPI Slave thread in the KB channel. Looks like the data structure got updated. I updated my arduino code accordingly and it's working now.

NNumber481 "Trim release Damper" is not "force trim". It is a effect which, temporarily ov...

KenZengOP•1/18/25, 5:17 AM

My stick's hardware trim in dcs is not working.compare with my pedals,the loaded effect is not the same (without telemffb).My pedals hardware trim work fine.And here is my config setting.

DDeadlyMercury Yes, I did that initially and I had X and Y behaving normally in tester / window...

DeadlyMercury•1/18/25, 6:22 AM

Ok, seems fixed.
There is a file 'data\input\joys.ffp' in game folder, this file describes FFB configuration for different devices.

I've copied "default" section, renamed "default" into "VPforce", while in axis map in all three secions (constant, periodic, condition) I changed "0" to "-0" similar to g940 configuration in this file. Not sure if it is correct way to deal with this problem, but now ffb input on X axis is normal and stick follows the trim.

KKenZeng My stick's hardware trim in dcs is not working.compare with my pedals,the loaded...

Number481•1/18/25, 1:16 PM

if the game isn't even creating its effects when you start it, something more fundamental is wrong. There are no settings in configurator that would prohibit that. When the game starts, just sitting in the menu, you should see the 3 loaded effects (like you do on your pedals screenshot).

Check the DCS log to see what it says about the joystick. You should see something like this:

INPUT (Main): created [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick] with full id [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick {D2609390-E86C-11ed-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: yes, guidFFDriver: {EEC6993A-B3FD-11d2-A916-00C04FB98638}

INPUT (Main): created [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick] with full id [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick {D2609390-E86C-11ed-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: yes, guidFFDriver: {EEC6993A-B3FD-11d2-A916-00C04FB98638}

Also in the same section, look to see if it is loading 'vJoy Device'. If you see that, disable or uninstall vJoy as it can cause problems with FFB.

If all the above is normal, it could be a USB issue. If your using a hub, try connecting your joystick directly to your PC.

DDeadlyMercury Ok, seems fixed. There is a file 'data\input\joys.ffp' in game folder, this file...

Number481•1/18/25, 1:21 PM

Unless this is a new issue with IL2... you're the first person I've ever seen have this problem, so I think there is something else going on. Is it happening on all aircraft or just some?

To be clear, if your configurator axis inversion settings are set correctly (such that the axis position readout follows your joystick in the correct directions), then the "FFB Direction" and "Axis Direction" will be in sync. In DCS for example, there is only a handful of aircraft that need FFB inverted on an axis ('FFTune', not the axis itself). Almost all will work fine without changing the inversion settings in the game at all.

For IL2, I've never heard of having to invert anything so long as configurator is set correctly.

NNumber481 if the game isn't even creating its effects when you start it, something more fu...

KenZengOP•1/18/25, 1:33 PM

It works now. two things i had changed.First ,i use the old version rhino loopback software to enable my diy grip button,the new version will make the ffb not work. Second It should be some usb issue that make my Real Simulator stick have some collision with the Rhino FFB。i change another usb slot to connect RS stick。

NNumber481 Unless this is a new issue with IL2... you're the first person I've ever seen ha...

DeadlyMercury•1/18/25, 2:23 PM

Yes, it was on multiple aircrafts, so I would assume on every one with roll trims.
Maybe it's not exactly device issue but il-2 issue, some people had "weird" stuff with ffb and in one case a person deleted everything from input folder to fix it. Additionally it's interesting that g940 "by default" defined by game developers have similar -0 setting, so it's not "their first rodeo" I would assume. Again, I never had issues with g940 in the past.

I believe in configuration utility it is set correctly, by default I had X axis inverted and Y not inverted, both X and Y directions were correct. When I placed joystick the opposite way for gimbal to be closer to the chair - I inverted Y and removed inversion from X, again in configuration utility / windows tester and so on orientation was / is correct. There is a chance that my device is special and by default both axis should not be inverted, but I think I received same settings when I tried default profile downloaded from the rhino webpage, so I doubt that.

Additionally in both Il-2 and DCS when I assign pitch and roll - orientation is also correct, I don't need to invert anything in game. So the only thing that was inverted is FFB in roll / X axis and only in Il-2, no issues with DCS.
Not sure what is that and still looking for comments on Il-2 forum, but at least config is working and I am happy with that. And would definitely not happy to delete everything from input folder, too late for that.

CaptainNel•1/18/25, 4:20 PM

when im not running ingame, if i move the stick vigorously, i get this fault and have to power it off and on, any ideas? only on the x motor, i can move the y motor as fast and hard as i want and it works fine. Also in the X axis I sometimes feel a "slipping" sensation when the stick is under pressure, like the motor is giving in the direction of the hold but the GUI stick position shows the same. Every effect is turned off except for adaptive recentering and a force trim keybind in telemFFB

50% spring
35% damper

CCaptainNel when im not running ingame, if i move the stick vigorously, i get this fault and...

Dracks•1/18/25, 6:00 PM

Yeah surly your settings => look and post a screen of complete settings tab (expend the right part). I had this problem and it's was a settings to adjust. I link Walmis answer => 🧰support

WingOver•1/18/25, 7:59 PM

Bug?: VPC V.F.X. DLC up/down buttons. Periodically when I start VPForce FFB the DLC up/down buttons on my V.F.X. are not recognized, e.g. they do not initialize and are not recognized by OS. I have to stop/restart VPForce FFB Configurator (sometimes multiple times) for the buttons to be eventually recognized. Stoping and restarting VPForce FFB Configurator seems to always fix the issue, but anoying that I have to do a pre-flight on the controller in VPForce FFB Configurator before jumping into a SIM.

Ffrumpy By "removing the top wall" you mean removing 30 screws? I did it, but what now? ...

C4N4DN•1/18/25, 11:54 PM

I recently had some play in my pitch similar to yours. I had to tighten these scres

C4N4DN•1/18/25, 11:54 PM

Screws

C4N4DN•1/18/25, 11:54 PM

C4N4DN•1/18/25, 11:56 PM

I was able to tighten them without disassembling the gimbal. I just went at it with a screwdriver.

slowmover•1/19/25, 9:57 AM

I have build my own FFB rhino with designs i found on web. The design i used had Bolts and Nuts. After a 1.5 year of use every screw was almost loose!!! I disassembled it all and started again from the beginning,Now i will print another design which has threaded inserts and i am going to use LOCTITE glue for threads.

TeufelHunden•1/19/25, 10:03 AM

my trim in game is working like it should but my stick is moving back physically when i trim nose down and when i trim nose up my stick is moving foward?

TeufelHunden•1/19/25, 10:03 AM

seems to be opposite of what i want i have turn base around and click invert so that works but trim seems backwards for the stick movement?

TTeufelHunden my trim in game is working like it should but my stick is moving back physically...

slowmover•1/19/25, 10:03 AM

which module you use it?

slowmover•1/19/25, 10:04 AM

dcs ch-47f maybe?

TeufelHunden•1/19/25, 10:10 AM

il2

wolfman59#6013•1/19/25, 1:33 PM

Hi guys, I have finished connecting my meanwell 350w 24v to power my vpforce rhino, for the first start-up do I need to install special software to be able to try it? what exactly should I do? because I don't know enough about this part.

Wwolfman59#6013 Hi guys, I have finished connecting my meanwell 350w 24v to power my vpforce rhi...

Dracks•1/19/25, 1:59 PM

You must install VPFORCE configurator. For the effects in game, you must install TelemFFB.

Dracks•1/19/25, 2:00 PM

https://github.com/walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB

GitHub

GitHub - walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB: DCS FFB Telemetry Effects (for VP...

DCS FFB Telemetry Effects (for VPforce FFB). Contribute to walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB development by creating an account on GitHub.

Dracks•1/19/25, 2:31 PM

To sum up:

You configure your Rhino via the configurator. Calibration first, then basic effects (spring, damper, friction...). Check the manual for details.
Then you can run telemffb for in-game effects. It's all very personal, but a word of advice: don't use too many effects to start with. Then adjust according to your needs and preferences.

DDracks To sum up: You configure your Rhino via the configurator. Calibration first, t...

wolfman59#6013•1/19/25, 3:11 PM

thank you very much for all this information

Mustang 1-1•1/19/25, 4:50 PM

Hey guys, my bottom mounting plate in my rhino is broken, and I need to print a new one. I found one online that looked the same and it didn’t fit by some slight dimensions. Can anyone lead me to the correct model?

exil35•1/19/25, 5:08 PM

Hey guys, looking for some help here. I've build my own Rhino pedals. Without the motor, the pedals are moving very lightweight.
With the motor attached but still off, there is a bit of resistance, but still okay.
Once i power on the motor, i need a lot of force to actually move the pedals.
In the VP Configurator everything (springs, dampening, etc.) is turned off. The motor is online, USB is connected and i can calibrate the axis.
But i still have this high force requirement to actually move the pedals. As a sidenote, tuning the spring slider and such doesn't do anything.
What am i doing wrong?

Chris•1/19/25, 5:26 PM

Control board is the one from Walmis? Maybe some break force is misscalibrated?

CChris Control board is the one from Walmis? Maybe some break force is misscalibrated?

exil35•1/19/25, 5:28 PM

Yes, the board is the original VPForce board.

Chris•1/19/25, 5:31 PM

Hmm.

Eexil35 Hey guys, looking for some help here. I've build my own Rhino pedals. Without th...

Number481•1/19/25, 5:41 PM

Play with the natural dampening compensation value. Increase it and it should relieve the dampening you are feeling. If you increase it too far it will act like it is amplifying your inputs. You’ll find a value that makes it feel pretty free floating.

NNumber481 Play with the natural dampening compensation value. Increase it and it should r...

exil35•1/19/25, 5:43 PM

Thanks. I already tried that as well with no effect. It's like all the settings i do in VPForce Configurator are dead somehow. Although, it's recognizing the postion.

smitty•1/19/25, 5:46 PM

configurator screenshot? my first guess also was natural damping

smitty•1/19/25, 5:47 PM

effects, settings and debug tabs

Ssmitty configurator screenshot? my first guess also was natural damping

exil35•1/19/25, 5:55 PM

Here you go! And thanks for the help!

smitty•1/19/25, 5:57 PM

wow you really have nothing turned on

smitty•1/19/25, 5:57 PM

i see a little bit of identifier "joystick" in the bottom

smitty•1/19/25, 5:58 PM

have right device selected?

exil35•1/19/25, 5:59 PM

Yeah, it's named joystick. But i didn't connect the Rhino base (stick) for testing purposes.

INPUT (Main): created [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick] with full id [VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick {D2609390-E86C-11ed-8001-444553540000}], ForceFeedBack: yes, guidFFDriver: {EEC6993A-B3FD-11d2-A916-00C04FB98638}

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