Haloalkanes and arenes

What should be P?
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Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
It should be cyclopentane buddy Chloride Usse grignard Grignard acts as a base
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
mg in dry ether give grignard
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Takes up H+ from ethanol Forms cyclopentane
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
and grignard with ethanol gives dehydrohalogenation to give alkene
Nimboi
Nimboi3mo ago
wow we pounced on this one
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Ahmm huh? Protonation? Acid base?
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
direct
Nimboi
Nimboi3mo ago
@Prasan this should clear things up
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Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
sidha ye wala yaad kar rakha hai maine
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
should c2h50- get attached and mgcl out of there
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Are nahi yaar 😭
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
acha yaad hi karlein
Nimboi
Nimboi3mo ago
arey nahi be logic samjho
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Nope nope
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Grignard is basic
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
sahi baat ha logic
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
NOOOO
Nimboi
Nimboi3mo ago
grignard is a base first, nucleophile next
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
It takes up H+ from ethanol
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
dont be like me i am crazy
Nimboi
Nimboi3mo ago
alcohol has a proton in OH since its a base, it takes that proton
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
mechism banado na
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
'cause it gives stable hydrocarbons* Pehle grignard banaya?
Nimboi
Nimboi3mo ago
oh wow didnt think about that TIL
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
are mujhe pta hai
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Grignard is basic Ethanol ke paas H+ hai
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
gringard takes H+?
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
It can take that up Acid base reactions are fast Yes
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
ethanoate ion formation
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
The negative part of grignard does Yes
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
yeah so where does this go?
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
ruko i will show mech
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
aight
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
This will stay in the solution along with the MgCl+ part
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
kuch kuch to karte hue maine ajib sa mech bananya hai dubara likh ke bhejri
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
😅
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
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Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
@Prasan look @Varun_Arora sir thik banaya hai?
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
ouh aise ha
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
hnji
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
ek baat puchni ha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Sahi hai sahi hai Or ye sir mat bol yaar 😭🙏
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
senior = sir pucho (handwrititng ka mat bolna pls)
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Hell naah 😭🙏
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
mtlb jab bhi rxn mei OH vala kuch ata ha to Sn rxns hi aati ha dimag mein,
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Sabse pehle acid base Kahin bhi acidic proton hai Sabse pehle acid base socho Baaki sab uske baad
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
Yaar sn vagera mat dekho dekho kii kya hora hai aur who wants electrons
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
okayyy
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
all organic rxns are acid base
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
are vo to sundar ha
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
kaha se ??
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
isse badhia kya hota ha
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
meri is se aachi thi
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
I mean.... Technically lmao
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
ab nhi hai
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Are kitna to sundar likha hai
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
ashish sir ne last yr hi ye dimag ke fit kar diya tha equi ke lecture me
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Mujhse bhi nahi bante itne sundar structures
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
mera to benzene kabhi kabhi 7 carbon ka bnjata ha
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
upar vala crop haina
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Thodi si bond angles ki respect or kar leti
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
sundarta nhi thi
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Cyclopentane me 120 hota hai
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Baat unki sach hai vaise Har reaction ko acid base, electrophile nucleophile interaction bol sakte hain
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
chalo aaj ki chem hogyi kaafi kuch seekhliya
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
hn lmao koi nhi pehle hum bhi yhi bolte the
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
tumhari to badia horkhi chem
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
phir hamare jivan me zumdahl aur clayden books ayi
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
ye kya ha
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
kisne kaha? OG books
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
comparison mein
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
ehehehe
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
theory vgera ke liye
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
aisa mat bolo sab bhul gyi hu mai revison karungi kal abhi codon karne chli mai
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
ab ye kya ha
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
bio genetics
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
acha bio chalo theek h +close
Sephrina
Sephrina3mo ago
+solved with tag who solved
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Bhai btw @Prasan Tumne din me jo question daala tha I put that on a discord It was similar to what I expected Thoda sa alag hai bas I'll share ruko
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
okay
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
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Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Credits to Victor Ochem Tutor I asked him on his server @Sephrina dekh lo tum bhi That question @Prasan sent The MeBr ka release step might seem kinda new But MeBr being a gas It's release is actually favourable Entropy badh gayi system ki
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
can you ask him whether this product could be formed by NG participation
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
This is "NGP" Not exactly But this is how the reaction would proceed and you can kind of call it NGP O puts it's lone pair and kicks out Br
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
in ngp, a ring is formed in transition state
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
As I said, it is "kind of NGP"
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
oh yeah mb
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
I get you dw It's the problem with the person telling you it's NGP It's actually not
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
yeah
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
NGP does happen on the adjacent carbon One thing though Elimination would also happen
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
yeah that what i was concerned about
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
But it won't be the major product Why you might say? RO- It's reading solvated in alcohols While CN- is not Most available base is CN- Which is a very weak base Can not perform elimination efficiently Rather prefers substitution
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
i think im too fried now to do chem
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Koi ni lmao You might skip this Just know cyanide is not a good base
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
okay
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
It will do substitution Not elimination
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
alright
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
You can mark this one solved now I guess
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
thanks a lot for today bruh
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Dw bhai Shoot your doubts here Happy to solve:)
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
mein bhi dusron ke doubt solve krta hu thoda alsi hogya tha
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
That's nice ngl One learns better that way
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
yeah
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
I've learnt a lot of new things while solving doubts here
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
yeah im new to discord, i will start as well
Varun_Arora
Varun_Arora3mo ago
Yeah sure sure
Prasan
PrasanOP3mo ago
+solved @Varun_Arora
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