Does 5Nm refer to the motor output or after the reduction?
Does 5Nm refer to the motor output or after the reduction?
WYes, after reduction
VGreat, thanks
WAlmost finished implementing button remapping support
OPretty sure this goes without saying, I am really excited for what's to come as this gets better and better. And more people get involved in experiencing ffb. Absolutely cool.
BMy question is for the Hornet. Is the FBW artificial feel modeled for ffb? Like stick force per G, stick force per AOA, ect.
WThe ED implementation is pretty basic iirc, I'll need to do some more testing. It will be possible to add such effects via DCS telemetry, though.
WIf you guys have any documentation in that regard, G/AoA vs force curves etc, throw it my way, will be useful 
Fvery roughly compiled... as standard FFB effects, directly from DCS you'll get:
Warbirds:
all this can be enriched with telemetry output interpretation feedback into the base, like Walmis mentioned above. basically what simshaker for aviators does for jetseat pads and bass shakers...
Warbirds:
- flight surface pressure depending on speed (stick is limb on ground, pressure builds up during start...)
- stall effect (stick rattling)
- stick center offset (F-5E, A10C, F-14 ...)
- stick offset through trimming
- autopilot features take full control over the stick (Mig21 ...)
- full force trim (stick offsets and hold in position)
- trim button released means forces are applied
- trim button depressed means forces are off (for maneuvering)
- important, forget about the Gazelle, this module is a fail
- standard stick functionality (spring effect)
all this can be enriched with telemetry output interpretation feedback into the base, like Walmis mentioned above. basically what simshaker for aviators does for jetseat pads and bass shakers...
WThanks for a very nice summary!
OWould it be worth having a save function for separate aircraft such as helicopters, warbirds, modern jets, to have each individual settings for how much those force are felt. And all three can be saved to the board after you've test flown and adjusted those settings to your liking in each of those birds? Does that make sense?
OI should've said category of aircraft.
Ffor now, DCS has intensity settings for trim forces and effect forces for each module in axis control options. here you can basically set fine nuances for every module.
VThis is modeled, but it happens on the FCS side. The hornet stick has feel springs for the artificial feel, it doesn't change.
Fthe telemetry stuff would need different profiles in the VPforce software...
OThat's true... I've yet to have played with those. Guess now that we'll have a stronger feedback, we'll have a purpose for using those features in DCS.
WI'm still thinking how to go about implementing it
WMaybe some sort of easy scripting support
ORight... That's what I had in mind.
F@rcflyer40t yeah, it's basically a balance setting.
OYep
F@walmis
WThose are all rumble effects by my guess ?
Fyes, many many parameters and different quantities for each module
Fhighly customizable of course
Ftake it slow 
Fno pressure
Fthe thing is, they are also directional. bomb dropped from left wing, G-force build up in your back or in the left leg ... etc.
Fmaybe a Rhino-plugin for Simshakers would be a good approach, this way they can't interfere with each other.
F@bignewy 
F
PThis project is very interesting to me. I'll definitely be keeping in the loop.
VOh, this is something that I've been following for a while back on ED forums. So glad it came to life like this. I just hope that in near future there will be a option to just mount (not necessarily support) VKB grips. I do have MGC Ultimate and it blows Virpil stick completely out of the water. Virpil is way too small for my hand and its switches are too mushy. So if there will be a way to just mount it on Rhino base with me routing the connection to the blackbox separately, it would be great.
I just need to save a bit of cash, dropped 850e on Virpil collective and buttonbox 2 weeks ago...
I just need to save a bit of cash, dropped 850e on Virpil collective and buttonbox 2 weeks ago...
F@viper1970 hi there, i guess one of the DIY kits would fit perfectly for your project.
FOk, so I have a new question:
I guess you get to bind a button on your grip to work as a trim release for the Rhino base, right?
Will you still be able to bind that same button to the trim release in DCS?
I guess you get to bind a button on your grip to work as a trim release for the Rhino base, right?
Will you still be able to bind that same button to the trim release in DCS?
WThe trim release is all handled by DCS natively. The Rhino doesn't currently have HW trim in firmware (which would be useful if the game doesn't support FFB natively)
FOooh ok!
F@crifort that's why it is the Brunner Killer. (native directinput FFB)
(native directinput FFB)Fanother benefit in DCS is that trim release also commands the internal FCS system (in the Ka-50 for instance). it's not like with the Brunner, trimmed from the "outside", which basically only forces the stick to stay in a certain position.
FThat's why I was asking
W@everyone Could anyone share the technical dimensions for the VKB mount from the base side with some photos if possible (or maybe CAD if one has it)
WLent my vkb base to a friend, so nothing from me unfortunately. I modeled an adapter for grips but that likely isn't useful and I can't guarantee accuracy (did fit fine on my gimbal)
FI talked with @rcflyer40t , I can send you myspare extension, that way you'll have both sides of the connector
WYeah that'd be useful, I could develop an adapter to help route the signal wires to the black box
PWhy not to buy VKB extender and canibalize it?
P
POr even only remove lower part of it and connect it directly to gimbal
WFor one-off project that might be ok, but that's unsustainable if you need more than one
FTo clear things up, we'd wouldn't need the Gunfighter base, just the black box?
Wyeah