Hey @walmis , I'm the developer of SimShaker for Aviators, @flashgod_vr ask me to get in touch with

Hey @walmis ,

I'm the developer of SimShaker for Aviators, @flashgod_vr ask me to get in touch with you to discuss the possibilities to enhance the FFB experience with SSA data, or to help you, to get data from DCS...

I-WVoss•5/22/22, 5:39 AM

@walmis , Good morning!! Could I have the data to pre-order the full base? I already have Virpil T50CM2 with extension. Thank you!

II-WVoss @walmis , Good morning!! Could I have the data to pre-order the full base? I alr...

walmis•5/22/22, 6:37 AM

Good morning! DM me, I'll get back to you. Currently out of town for a bit.

Ff4l0 Hey @walmis , I'm the developer of SimShaker for Aviators, @flashgod_vr ask me ...

walmis•5/22/22, 6:43 AM

Hi there! Welcome! I'll DM you in a bit :)

The_Fragger•5/22/22, 2:23 PM

Hey guys

walmis•5/22/22, 2:23 PM

Welcome!

Flashgod_VR•5/22/22, 2:36 PM

@the_fragger

walmis•5/24/22, 6:09 PM

walmis•5/24/22, 6:09 PM

Received the shift register boards, gonna test them tomorrow

Otto•5/24/22, 6:16 PM

I'm going to need 2, soon

maxonly•5/25/22, 12:46 PM

Will the rhino be available as a kit or just fully assembled?

walmis•5/25/22, 12:46 PM

Hi, the Rhino will be fully assembled.

Wwalmis Hi, the Rhino will be fully assembled.

maxonly•5/25/22, 12:49 PM

Thnx, very excited about this project

walmis•5/25/22, 12:50 PM

My mission is to bring back FFB from the dead

AndyHill•5/25/22, 1:14 PM

that's a pretty worthy mission as far as I'm concerned

paulnd•5/25/22, 5:08 PM

I'm interested in using the motor kit for a 737 control column in P3D/MSFS, the most important part for me is to be able to simulate trim adjustments accurately and the 'heavyness' of controls - is this currently supported by the software or is further development needed?

walmis•5/25/22, 5:19 PM

I think it should be possible to simulate the "heaviness" using the inertia/damper/friction combination. Trim is also not a problem if the sim supports native FFB. I do not know how well P3D supports FFB, for MSFS, XPForce plugin should allow for pretty good FFB. The mechanics for the yoke should be interesting :) To summarize - out of the box experience should be pretty good and some improvements will be definitely possible to implement via firmware updates with your feedback.

AndyHill•5/25/22, 5:27 PM

did I understand correctly that the total cost of an operational unit would be closer to 1k€?

walmis•5/25/22, 5:29 PM

The motor kits are from 299€ to 439€, with mechanics it can come close to 1k definitely. The complete Rhino base is 799€ :)

AndyHill•5/25/22, 5:29 PM

and that doesn't include stick and power source?

walmis•5/25/22, 5:30 PM

+ 180W power source
- grip

AndyHill•5/25/22, 5:30 PM

I'm working on an article about controllers in the ~600€ range, but I'm going to also talk about the next step up and I'm very interested in FFB

paulnd•5/25/22, 5:30 PM

Are you aware if anyone has tested the motor kit with Prosim? controls communicate with Prosim and not directly with the sim, an interface may be needed to drive the motor kit. I assume that the software is for configuration only and doesn't need to be running?

AndyHill•5/25/22, 5:31 PM

I might want to pick your brains at some point to make sure I get my facts straight

AAndyHill I might want to pick your brains at some point to make sure I get my facts strai...

walmis•5/25/22, 5:31 PM

Sure thing

Ppaulnd Are you aware if anyone has tested the motor kit with Prosim? controls communica...

walmis•5/25/22, 5:35 PM

Not yet, this endeavor is in quite an early stage. I'm planning to implement an API to directly send requested torques to the device. That will open up many capabilities to interface external software with the device.
Yeah, the GUI software is a configuration front end, all the processing is done in device firmware.

Havebug•5/28/22, 8:34 AM

Hi @walmis , first of all great job! Flight simmers community really needed a FFB device! Since I'm quite proficient in mechanics and electronic stuff, I'm very interested in buying the Kit. Can you please recap of what is included in the kit and how I can buy it?

Flashgod_VR•5/28/22, 8:37 AM

i think those photos in the showcase tab show it all (scroll up). you'll get 2x modified motors (with implemented sensors) and the main controller

Havebug•5/28/22, 8:39 AM

yes, I noticed there are two motors and a controller, but in another picture I see a different motor size... So was wondering if is there an option to order different types of motors...

walmis•5/28/22, 8:39 AM

Hi @eaf51_havebug ! Yes the motor pictures are featured in the showcase. The whole thing is plug and play, you only need to attach motors to your mechanics and calibrate axis range.

walmis•5/28/22, 8:39 AM

walmis•5/28/22, 8:40 AM

Here are different specs for the motors according to manufacturer.

walmis•5/28/22, 8:41 AM

and the prices:
57BLF kit: 299€
86BLF03 kit: 399€
86BLF04 kit: 439€

walmis•5/28/22, 8:45 AM

The kit includes: 2 motors, USB FFB controller, hook-up wires for quick start (you may need to lengthen them, etc to accommodate your design)

Havebug•5/28/22, 8:46 AM

and i gues on the controller theres a connector for the Virpil Grip? (removed from the original base?)

walmis•5/28/22, 8:48 AM

There's a 5 pin JST XH connector on the board for TM, Virpil, WinWing grips

Havebug•5/28/22, 8:51 AM

Perfect, thank you. One more question: Are the axis sensors on motors contactless ? (no potentiometer?)

walmis•5/28/22, 8:52 AM

Definitely :)

Havebug•5/28/22, 8:54 AM

sent you a PM

I-WVoss•5/28/22, 12:16 PM

@walmis hello!! Sent you a PM

walmis•5/28/22, 12:17 PM

Hey! One sec

Wwalmis Hi @eaf51_havebug ! Yes the motor pictures are featured in the showcase. The who...

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原子力Hoshino•5/28/22, 8:30 PM

What are the motors used in the Rhino Base? or all these options are available as an option as well?

walmis•5/28/22, 8:58 PM

@7hoshino The Rhino uses the 57 type motors. A base with the larger motors is on my roadmap, but meanwhile the larger ones are available as a kit to anyone willing to build mechanics of their own.

Wwalmis @7hoshino The Rhino uses the 57 type motors. A base with the larger motors is on...

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原子力Hoshino•5/28/22, 9:10 PM

Roger. thx. looking forward to the bigger one

Flashgod_VR•5/29/22, 6:14 AM

@7hoshino don't underestimate the power of the 57ers

AndyHill•5/29/22, 10:49 AM

what limits the torque so that continuous is 0.6 whereas peak is 1.6? Components overheating?

walmis•5/29/22, 10:53 AM

Motor windings most likely - this parameter is from motor manufacturer. This is probably without any active cooling.

AndyHill•5/29/22, 10:54 AM

what are the main wear and tear problems for ffb in general? For normal sticks I'm guessing springs and cam bearings and stuff like that, but what's the main worry for ffb?

AndyHill•5/29/22, 10:55 AM

Also if you want a lot of strength out of an FFB system, how much can reduction gearing help?

walmis•5/29/22, 10:59 AM

I can't think of any actually, there are no wearing parts (Apart for the leather boot on the Rhino LOL). Bearings and motors should last a lifetime if driven within specs. A blown MOSFET could be one failure point, but that should not happen normally.

Gearing helps a lot, since it multiplies the torque directly - for example 5:1 gearing will generate 5Nm with 1Nm motor.

AndyHill•5/29/22, 11:02 AM

Gearing of course lowers the speed the stick can move itself, but does that have a meaningful effect when you're just trying to generate force right then and there?

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