@bikersid you're right in terms of feedback, but i think what trip was referring to was trim
@bikersid you're right in terms of feedback, but i think what trip was referring to was trim
Nyou can basically reset the center point using trim so that you dont need to hold pressure to keep the pedals in the same place
Nwhich should be reproducible with a FFB style motor
VYou'll get some manner of feedback in light helicopters with simple cable/pushrod controls but there will only be artificial feel with irreversible hydro boosted controls. Usually through the form of a trimmable spring cartridge or simple friction.
MSorry to keep jumping in! Has anybody experimented with having two of these connected at once, before? e.g Is there scope to make one of the units mirror the other in a full two seat cockpit?
WI had an inquiry about this from a glider instructor, I will be able to implement synchronization over LAN some time in the future 
MAhh interesting! I'm building a full scale cockpit, replicating a Grob 109b motorglider, for a gliding club. Not much left to arrange, mostly controls now. It's a side by side seat config and syncing the sticks will be quite key. Any ideas when this might be possible?
WCan't promise any exact date, but I'll definitely put in a time slot for this in the near future
MAmazing. Thankyou! Have you had any experience with the original gimbal design my 'Propeler' on the DCS forum?
WYes, the one in the Rhino is quite similar, but I designed it from scratch
MAhh nice. I have a functional gimbal, printed in Carbon PETG. It works nice, but at the extents of the control range, there is some binding and can't work out what it is!
Fhttps://forum.dcs.world/uploads/monthly_2021_04/IMG_20210408_093214.jpg.5aac57d3caed5ac485b8c71eab3bb15e.jpg
does the upper "T-shaped" part have enough play with its bearings?
does the upper "T-shaped" part have enough play with its bearings?
Fit needs to be able to turn a little in the main piece...
GThe bearings to that bolt should have minimal play. If you have slop there you will have movement of the stick without gimbal rotation. Basically a dead zone. The parts twist slightly in relation to each other as you move through the control range. The center axis stays aligned but the pieces are rotated in relation and separated.
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T@walmis s @Vladinsky also: In most helicopters you have Force Trim or Magnetic Brake. Generally it affects both the cyclic stick and the anti-torque pedals. As Rage 204|Snake said, Basically you hold down the button, put the stick and pedals where you want them, then release the switch and it artificially sets the "spring center" of the stick and pedals to the positions they were in when you released the button. In some, especially older, aircraft like the UH-1H there is a toggle switch to completely disable the magnetic brake/force trim system but in many modern helicopters it's always on for safety even if the pilot doesn't want it as it reportedly significantly reduces the chances of a crash especially in IFR conditions etc. There is also incremental trim in many more modern helicopters but that is irrelevant to this particular inquiry as to my knowledge that only affects the cyclic. @Vladinsky DCS supports magnetic brake and force trim via standard force feedback like the MSFF2 which is what I have used in the past for this function. (It's been a few years so I've only tested on the UH-1H and Ka-50 but I assume the rest are supported as well. The Rhino uses the same built in force feedback support correct? So if it works with MSFF2 it will work with Rhino? Assuming that's a yes, the question really was just whether or not the pedals axis supports FFB in addition to pitch and roll FFB which if I understood @walmis correctly.. is not possible?
TMy primary interest in Rhino is for Force Trim in DCS Helicopters, but I'd like to have it for the Warbirds and F-14 also.
VDCS does not support pedal ffb no, but it is possible to implement pedal trim using logic on the hardware side. And quite possibly ffb by exporting data from the game but that would be more complex and beyond me.
F@triprodriguez and yes, it's the same FFB functionality like the good old FFB sticks. but so much better!
MYou could mechanically link them like they are in the real ship but have 1 driven by rino
WTo answer the question once and for all, the Rhino pull/torque:
5kg at the stick base, equates to 8.5-9Nm. Lowballed the figure previously a bit
5kg at the stick base, equates to 8.5-9Nm. Lowballed the figure previously a bit
VWell that's exciting
VoH SNAP thats alot better then I thought noice
F@walmis corrected my post at ED's forums... 
WThanks
T@thoatse So uh Okona.... it's been a few years and man have I learned a lot more about motion simulation. You'll remember me from MWO as Turbo Corvair if you don't recognize my name here.
You'll remember me from MWO as Turbo Corvair if you don't recognize my name here.WRhino 0003 ready for it's new home @JP Dumont ! 
Made some iterative improvements for the 3D parts and other aesthetic tweaks in this and later units.
Made some iterative improvements for the 3D parts and other aesthetic tweaks in this and later units.
MHey man, small world and long time no see.. was gonna say hi here to you last night when I noticed you on this channel but was violently ill after eating bad tacos at this work thing lol. Caught some glimpses of your projects over the years but we should do some pm's and catch up on things
WTesting MSFS2020 with XPForce right now
Wfixed a few bugs, seems to work fine now
Fsupport comes with next firmware update? or is it working already?
WI'll release a maintenance release tomorrow (or sunday) with some other small fixes.
Dheyo friends
Dglad to see you all here
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εthat's sexy. btw would dusting of the exposed moving parts be a big issue? also, I guess the case is 3D printed, but what about the gimbal?
WI can't see a problem with dust, but time will tell :) The case itself is made from wood. The gimbal is 3D printed. For 57BLF motors it's fully sufficient. For 86BLF otoh the gimbal would be need to be metal.
SSo what is the gimbal made out of in production units? My ffb2 has lasted 10+ years, what can we expect from these? Or what do you think it'll last under stress
WIt's made out of PETG, ABS and bearings (10 in total) + 4 external, bolts.
From my perspective these look pretty solid.
From my perspective these look pretty solid.
WAll in all this design in general is quite modular - the gimbal is replaceable, the drive system is reusable - it's the same as the DIY kits.
WSo from longevity standpoint I see it as pretty solid.
FThese things look amazing. Iβm completely new here. Is there a place I can find all the info that Iβm sure everyone asks, such as pricing and order queue?
FDisregard. Found the faq
NGet in line buddy 
GDoes anyone know the maximum stick deflection angle of rhino ffb base?
WHi, ~ +-22deg
GThanks! Your base looks super cool!
WThanks
Fdoes anyone have experience with one of these in Il2?
FHow does it fair against a VPC WarBRD, for example?
Fcan't tell about IL2, but it should work pretty good since the game has native FFB support.
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it's hard to describe, but the Rhino wipes the floor with any spring-centered joystick...
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it's hard to describe, but the Rhino wipes the floor with any spring-centered joystick...