Nje, not really, I kinda thought that it simulated the inertia/friction etc of a real cyclic (and th

Nje, not really, I kinda thought that it simulated the inertia/friction etc of a real cyclic (and the assorted bits and bobs it is connected to) i.e. you can't whip a real cyclic back and forth so quickly and that DCS simulates that. Odd though that the behaviour changes with trimmer mode.

William OakesOP•12/15/22, 1:25 PM

No experince here though, I've only flown IRL small prop planes with control rods directly connected to the control surfaces.

SSwiftVengeance there is this nice third party ffb program that works over dcs and allows me to ...

William OakesOP•12/15/22, 1:29 PM

But this will not move the SCAS window or am I missunderstanding how you use this program...

Wwalmis This chatbot could be a pretty good therapist lol

smitty•12/15/22, 1:59 PM

"remember that, ultimately, the decision to buy the vpforce joystick is up to your wife"

WWilliam Oakes But this will not move the SCAS window or am I missunderstanding how you use thi...

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 2:10 PM

Its just ffb feel, the scas window will still work if you have trim bound

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 2:15 PM

I think that if they want to add some kind of damper they should do it internally in the apache. But I dont think this is that, it just doesnt make sence to limit the input speed for ffb sticks and no spring ones but then leave center spring joysticks perfectly responsive

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 2:19 PM

And its really bad anyways because if you move the stick in real life your brain expects the one in game to be in the same position.

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 2:20 PM

And this problem is not on any other module as far as im aware

WWilliam Oakes Nje, not really, I kinda thought that it simulated the inertia/friction etc of a...

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 2:33 PM

Also scroll up a bit we have been talking about how the stick should move, there are videos and info

walmis•12/15/22, 3:10 PM

Got the input loopback app running and talking with the Rhino

PiNKSH!T•12/15/22, 3:26 PM

Just wanted to let ppl know that my first experiences using the RHINO base has been absolute positive! From my first impressions of the base itself, then the ease of initial set up, plus walmis has been active along with other discord members in helping answer questions in the support channel. I just want to let anyone know that may be on the fence about this product what type of experience I've had with it & it's creator! Thanks Walmis it's been a great experience!

walmis•12/15/22, 3:38 PM

Cheers! I'm humbled

原原子力Hoshino lol dig out a ref for the magnitude of a cyclic from this very channel. It's for...

SwiftVengeance•12/15/22, 3:50 PM

Yeah I definitely need to loosen it up

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VPforceBot•12/15/22, 5:37 PM

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CraptakulaR•12/15/22, 5:37 PM

!status

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VPforceBot•12/15/22, 5:37 PM

Hey @craptakularuk,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0030 on 2022-12-08
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 85 days, median is 109 days, max is 156 days
28 Rhinos are shipped in total

CraptakulaR•12/15/22, 5:40 PM

I’m so excited to hopefully get one in the future but there are 198 orders before mine so likely to be 2024 I suspect

CraptakulaR•12/15/22, 5:42 PM

Trying to determine to go all in on vkb gunfighter or just get an EVO NXT while I wait for a rhino. If I go there EVO route I could get a better set of pedals like the MFG ones with dampener

Magpie•12/15/22, 9:32 PM

I got one last night, it's worth the wait!
My rudder pedals feel so lifeless in comparison now

MMagpie I got one last night, it's worth the wait! My rudder pedals feel so lifeless in...

CraptakulaR•12/15/22, 10:07 PM

That’s great. I don’t mind waiting. I’m just going to keep my x52 hotas going for as long as possible I think

PPiNKSH!T Just wanted to let ppl know that my first experiences using the RHINO base has b...

blave549•12/15/22, 10:13 PM

I have a Monstertech aluminum profile-based simpit, and am trying to figure out how I will mount a Rhino on it. I take it that it needs to be attached to something solid, like a plate on the floor, correct? (I.e. it's not heavy enough to be free-standing, correct?) This is my setup from a few months ago; my current one is a bit different (newer Virpil stick base, with a different mounting system) but this shows the interface between the base and simpit.

I prefer a side mounted one, not centered with the seat (which doesn't have a cutout).

BTW, where can I find dimensioned drawings of the Rhino?

WhereNoLarkFlew•12/15/22, 11:13 PM

Why is the review section so bare? We have all of these guys getting their kit and going silent - what's up with that?

smitty•12/15/22, 11:25 PM

They’re probably too busy flying

Bblave549 I have a Monstertech aluminum profile-based simpit, and am trying to figure out ...

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原子力Hoshino•12/15/22, 11:44 PM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/986474224241741884/987268082219253770

scriptedpr•12/16/22, 1:09 AM

Hi I just found this discord and am curious where I can find pricing info? Thanks.

scriptedpr•12/16/22, 1:10 AM

Nvm actually. I see it under the faq

scriptedpr•12/16/22, 1:19 AM

So I’m pretty new to dcs but have been sim racing a lot so my knowledge of ffb stems from that. I have been reading up as much as I can on ffb in dcs and it’s hard to grasp the answers I’m looking for. Is ffb supported by all planes in dcs? I read somewhere on a YouTube comment that the f16 doesn’t have ffb and if this is true does the stick software simulate. I’m trying to determine if I want to go ffb center stick or get a side mounted fssb stick atm. Thanks.

Sscriptedpr So I’m pretty new to dcs but have been sim racing a lot so my knowledge of ffb s...

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原子力Hoshino•12/16/22, 1:51 AM

the real f-16 stick senses force and only moves about 1/4 inch or so and jusy like many other modern aircraft, it's not FFB. If you fly F16 only and want a more realistic experience perhaps force sensing bases are better. That said, someone had asked Walmis(the dev) couple of days ago if it's possible to use the VPF base as a force sensing base and he said it might be possible to simulate a force sensing base in the future firmware update tho no more details

Wwalmis Man this ChatGPT thing is 🤯

Fred•12/16/22, 1:59 AM

One of the ChatGPT memes feels like a personal attack though...

Bblave549 I have a Monstertech aluminum profile-based simpit, and am trying to figure out ...

PiNKSH!T•12/16/22, 2:26 AM

Hey m8, I'm busy atm but asap I'll get you some basic dimensions of the base if you'd like, I can't find the pdf atm that has the info. But basically yes it needs to be either floor mounted or mounted to something solid enough to take ~4kg ~9 pound that wants to throw itself around, the x & y axis throw on it is massive too! this is good cause you can use the software to make endstops so you can tweak the throw length of the x & y axis.

WWhereNoLarkFlew Why is the review section so bare? We have all of these guys getting their kit a...

PiNKSH!T•12/16/22, 2:28 AM

I can confirm we are getting there RHINO bases & disappearing into our gaming set ups & only emerging back out for sustenance & relief breaks!

Sscriptedpr So I’m pretty new to dcs but have been sim racing a lot so my knowledge of ffb s...

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 2:43 AM

the stick on the f16 is load cell

SSwiftVengeance the stick on the f16 is load cell

PiNKSH!T•12/16/22, 3:10 AM

check out Winwing's new MFSSB (Moveable Force Sensing Stick Base) they have the F-16 grip & throttle to go with it too!

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 3:11 AM

yes know about it

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 3:12 AM

I already have a load cell stick though

scriptedpr•12/16/22, 3:48 AM

So that makes sense why it wouldn’t support ffb in the sim bc the real plane won’t have ffb on the stick. But helos, warbirds and center stick aircraft in dcs all have ffb?

scriptedpr•12/16/22, 3:49 AM

I fly the hornet a lot for instance. I haven’t gotten much into helo or warbirds yet but plan on it

SSwiftVengeance I already have a load cell stick though

scriptedpr•12/16/22, 3:52 AM

Which stick do you have?

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 3:55 AM

x65f

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 3:57 AM

📃general

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 3:57 AM

this is the ffb effects for all modules

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 3:58 AM

real planes have ffb, the question is which ones

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 3:58 AM

and how they do it

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:00 AM

anything ww2 or earlier have ffb because their control surfaces are linked directly to the stick like on a car with no power steering

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:01 AM

so all the effects from the wind would be very strong

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:02 AM

post ww2 you get hydraulic power steering and now fbw

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:03 AM

there is back drivable hydraulic controls which still allow you too feel a bit of the effects and non back drivable which wont transfer any effects

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:05 AM

then there is fly by wire (fbw) which is totally different. its like your telling the car where to go and it does that for you so you never loose control

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:06 AM

well at least its like that for the f16. I dont know how the f18 does it

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:11 AM

in my opinion all planes should have ffb effects available in dcs. because you are flyng in a sim you cant feel the g forces, shaking, vibrations etc of the aircraft which you would be able to in real life through the seat and cockpit.

SwiftVengeance•12/16/22, 4:13 AM

feeling what the plane is doing allows you to control it to the limit or just being more immersed in the simulation just like with a car ffb wheel

Nje, not really, I kinda thought that it simulated the inertia/friction etc of a real cyclic (and th

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