Hey guys, I am cautiously considering building a control loading system from the VP-Force kit. Does

Hey guys, I am cautiously considering building a control loading system from the VP-Force kit. Does anyone know the resolution of the encoders on those motors? In my current design I will utilise roughly 200° on the motor shaft for a full stroke. On a ~4000cpr encoder that would leave me with little over 11Bit resolution. Are those motors availabe with higher resolution encoders?

DDirty Hey guys, I am cautiously considering building a control loading system from the...

walmis•2/21/23, 6:31 PM

Encoders are 12bit, rhino has about 3000 counts per throw. And for all practical purposes, that's 0.015 degree resolution (For 44deg throw)

Wwalmis Encoders are 12bit, rhino has about 3000 counts per throw. And for all practical...

DirtyOP•2/21/23, 6:48 PM

Thx for the swift answer

That would be +-22.5Deg on a 1:6 gear ratio. I guess I will go for a 1:10 then. THX!

AndyHill•2/21/23, 6:57 PM

is there a fact sheet with all the relevant and irrelevant information on the rhino?

walmis•2/21/23, 7:00 PM

Not really, information is a bit sparse. But at least the manual has begun

AndyHill•2/21/23, 7:01 PM

Maybe the overview section could have a fact sheet in it?

AndyHill•2/21/23, 7:02 PM

"Maximum throw: 22Deg X & Y"

AndyHill•2/21/23, 7:02 PM

"Overheat protection: Fans & limited max current progressively from 50C"

AndyHill•2/21/23, 7:02 PM

and so on

walmis•2/21/23, 7:02 PM

Yep, will do

SskyPickle So does the huey module not behave properly? Should I just turn off spring effec...

SwiftVengeance•2/21/23, 7:20 PM

I just tested it and it does not behave properly with ffb mode selected trim button doesnt do anything

skyPickle•2/21/23, 7:27 PM

Thats what i found. Thank you for confirming my experience

Asdforce•2/21/23, 8:54 PM

For what it's worth, force trim does work on the Huey with MSFFB-stick when using the instant trim setting under special options.

Asdforce•2/21/23, 8:58 PM

And just to make sure, you do have the force trim switch turned on in cockpit?

SwiftVengeance•2/21/23, 9:03 PM

no I just clicked the trim butotn on the stick

AAsdforce And just to make sure, you do have the force trim switch turned on in cockpit?

SwiftVengeance•2/21/23, 9:03 PM

there is an extra trim switch in the cockpit to enable trim?

Asdforce•2/21/23, 9:05 PM

There's a force trim switch on the top right of the middle pedestal.

SwiftVengeance•2/21/23, 9:08 PM

and it will make the normal trim button on the stick to start working?

Asdforce•2/21/23, 9:09 PM

It should. At least it does for me.

SwiftVengeance•2/21/23, 9:09 PM

ok I will give it a try

gitbse•2/21/23, 10:49 PM

The cockpit switch turns the system on. The stick button is the actual function

gitbse•2/21/23, 10:50 PM

It works well, I fly the helos more than anything else

AndyHill•2/21/23, 11:34 PM

I can confirm the Huey thing

AndyHill•2/21/23, 11:35 PM

It's actually kind of neat that they actually modeled that

AndyHill•2/21/23, 11:36 PM

Rhinomanual / Tips and Tricks / DCS / Huey: If your stick is limp, you can either try to fly something more manly or enable force trim in cockpit

gitbse•2/21/23, 11:46 PM

The Huey force trim feels arguably better than the Apache. It holds firm, and there's a definite relaxation and re-grip when you disable it. Maybe the Apache isn't fully fleshed yet, or maybe that's how it's supposed to feel.

Magpie•2/22/23, 12:35 AM

You can turn the force trim off in the Apache too

Magpie•2/22/23, 12:35 AM

And I've had the force trim disappear when I had an engine generator out in the hind too

ddrake1984•2/22/23, 12:39 AM

can simulate that with turning off some power on the RHS in hind (can't remember exactly which from memory)

Ggitbse The Huey force trim feels arguably better than the Apache. It holds firm, and th...

skyPickle•2/22/23, 12:59 AM

the apache works well. Pressing the trim release removes all force from the stick and releasing the button rengages the forces. However, it tends to want to move further in the direction it was displaced rather than staying exactly where you put it. The huey does the opposite, releasing the trim button forces the stick back to center. And both of these abnormalities occur when DCS is set to FFB without springs in the special options tab.

gitbse•2/22/23, 1:11 AM

Neither move for me, they both stay exactly in place. The feel is just better in the Huey IMO.

SskyPickle the apache works well. Pressing the trim release removes all force from the stic...

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:37 AM

that might be because of curves

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:38 AM

there is an issue with apache ffb without springs and trim without spring options. if you use those you will notice a ton of lag on the control. if you use the regular option ffb still works how it should and there is no lag

AAsdforce It should. At least it does for me.

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:51 AM

didnt work

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:51 AM

when I spawned in it was already on

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:52 AM

turning off force trim turns off centering on the stick

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:53 AM

turning it back on centers in the middle and pressing trim button on stick doesnt do anything except trim the pedals

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:54 AM

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:56 AM

switching to default fixes it

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:57 AM

like how are these devs making an ffb mode that doesn't do anything but the regular mode works

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 1:57 AM

were is the logic in that

PiNKSH!T•2/22/23, 2:34 AM

@swiftvengeance @skypickle Hey guys, I was just flying the Huey 2 nights ago & the force trim was working for me. Well as far as I know it was working right, it was going 'loose' when I held in the force trim button (only bound in DCS not VPforce config app) then when I moved the stick to desired position & released the trim button the stick would then hold in place. I did try the Blackhawk mod with & without the VPforce config app force trim buttons bound to my mcgu via the loopback app & that didn't work. I can jump on DCS soon to see what we're doing differently or if it still works for me.

Reed•2/22/23, 3:59 AM

Im not sure the 60 has ffb yet.

Reed•2/22/23, 3:59 AM

You’ll need do it via the app

RReed Im not sure the 60 has ffb yet.

PiNKSH!T•2/22/23, 4:00 AM

"I did try the Blackhawk mod with & without the VPforce config app force trim buttons bound to my mcgu via the loopback app & that didn't work" in my comment above

SSwiftVengeance like how are these devs making an ffb mode that doesn't do anything but the regu...

Asdforce•2/22/23, 5:31 AM

Reading through forum posts gives the impression that the special mode should say "sticks without springs and without ffb". I, too, confused it for an ffb-specific mode at first.

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 5:33 AM

goddam that was in my mind a few times but I dismissed it

SwiftVengeance•2/22/23, 5:34 AM

they have to be more specific with their wording lol

sydost•2/22/23, 7:40 AM

For me the Huey works as intended. With FFB sticks use “default” as trimmer mode. The “stick without springs and FFB” mode was created for folks who don’t have FFB and a non-centering stick as Asdforce stated above.

DDirty Hey guys, I am cautiously considering building a control loading system from the...

smitty•2/22/23, 1:49 PM

Hey @dirty0519 (from xsimulator.net?) These are the 10:1 gearboxes i'm using on my WIP rig. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801124644081.html 10:1, 8mm input
I have hardstops for 30deg total travel, and when the system is switched on i feel no cogging or backlash, and by turning up 'natural dampening compensation' a little in the configurator it negates the inertia of all the spinning components. it feels wonderful on the test bench, can't wait to use for real.

skyPickle•2/22/23, 5:07 PM

dont know where to post shared settings so here is mine:

ffb_config.vpconf5.85KB

Hey guys, I am cautiously considering building a control loading system from the VP-Force kit. Does

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