Sok I will give it a try
GThe cockpit switch turns the system on. The stick button is the actual function
GIt works well, I fly the helos more than anything else
AI can confirm the Huey thing
AIt's actually kind of neat that they actually modeled that
ARhinomanual / Tips and Tricks / DCS / Huey: If your stick is limp, you can either try to fly something more manly or enable force trim in cockpit
GThe Huey force trim feels arguably better than the Apache. It holds firm, and there's a definite relaxation and re-grip when you disable it. Maybe the Apache isn't fully fleshed yet, or maybe that's how it's supposed to feel.
MYou can turn the force trim off in the Apache too
MAnd I've had the force trim disappear when I had an engine generator out in the hind too
Dcan simulate that with turning off some power on the RHS in hind (can't remember exactly which from memory)
Sthe apache works well. Pressing the trim release removes all force from the stick and releasing the button rengages the forces. However, it tends to want to move further in the direction it was displaced rather than staying exactly where you put it. The huey does the opposite, releasing the trim button forces the stick back to center. And both of these abnormalities occur when DCS is set to FFB without springs in the special options tab.
GNeither move for me, they both stay exactly in place. The feel is just better in the Huey IMO.
Sthat might be because of curves
Sthere is an issue with apache ffb without springs and trim without spring options. if you use those you will notice a ton of lag on the control. if you use the regular option ffb still works how it should and there is no lag
Sdidnt work
Swhen I spawned in it was already on
Sturning off force trim turns off centering on the stick
Sturning it back on centers in the middle and pressing trim button on stick doesnt do anything except trim the pedals
S
Sswitching to default fixes it
Slike how are these devs making an ffb mode that doesn't do anything but the regular mode works
Swere is the logic in that
P@swiftvengeance @skypickle Hey guys, I was just flying the Huey 2 nights ago & the force trim was working for me. Well as far as I know it was working right, it was going 'loose' when I held in the force trim button (only bound in DCS not VPforce config app) then when I moved the stick to desired position & released the trim button the stick would then hold in place. I did try the Blackhawk mod with & without the VPforce config app force trim buttons bound to my mcgu via the loopback app & that didn't work. I can jump on DCS soon to see what we're doing differently or if it still works for me.
RIm not sure the 60 has ffb yet.
RYou’ll need do it via the app
P"I did try the Blackhawk mod with & without the VPforce config app force trim buttons bound to my mcgu via the loopback app & that didn't work" in my comment above 
AReading through forum posts gives the impression that the special mode should say "sticks without springs and without ffb". I, too, confused it for an ffb-specific mode at first.
Sgoddam that was in my mind a few times but I dismissed it
Sthey have to be more specific with their wording lol
SFor me the Huey works as intended. With FFB sticks use “default” as trimmer mode. The “stick without springs and FFB” mode was created for folks who don’t have FFB and a non-centering stick as Asdforce stated above.
SHey @dirty0519 (from xsimulator.net?) These are the 10:1 gearboxes i'm using on my WIP rig. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801124644081.html 10:1, 8mm input
I have hardstops for 30deg total travel, and when the system is switched on i feel no cogging or backlash, and by turning up 'natural dampening compensation' a little in the configurator it negates the inertia of all the spinning components. it feels wonderful on the test bench, can't wait to use for real.
I have hardstops for 30deg total travel, and when the system is switched on i feel no cogging or backlash, and by turning up 'natural dampening compensation' a little in the configurator it negates the inertia of all the spinning components. it feels wonderful on the test bench, can't wait to use for real.
Sdont know where to post shared settings so here is mine:
ffb_config.vpconf5.85KB
SWeird issue: vpforce configurator stopped recognizing the rhino today. The stick works well in dcs, windows usb control panel sees it and recognizes it.
SI downloaded a fresh copy and even ran it as admin- it does not see the rhino.
SHowever the usb web tool sees it!
WIs it possible you have another instance running?
Syep that was it. sorry
YThese gearboxes continue to fascinate me. I'm really looking forward to your opinion in the sim
LIs there a way to "toggle" endstops per API? (I cant figure it out with the DirectX one)
KIs this applicable to the Mi 24 as well?
WNo, not yet. But I'm planning to add support for parameters via hidapi commands
Li would appreciate that, i want to replicate the Airbus Sidestick Behaivour
Lall i need is a call for setting end stops, and a event when you go past them
SYes, in Mi24 the setting is called “Instant Trim (default)”. With FFB sticks the default option is correct for all ED made helicopters.
SSo you are finding that the ‘FFB’ option does not properly?
SThe “default” option is correct for FFB. The one many think is correct FFB option actually is for turning FFB stick trimmer off. Read it like it was written “without springs and without FFB”. The way it is written can be a bit confusing but there is no need to write the without two times in that sentence. That option was added by ED for people who have no springs in the stick and no FFB.
SSo the “without springs and FFB” option doesn’t work with Rhino.
AI think it would be really good to start gathering the tips and tricks for simulators into the manual at this point
Awe're going to see all of these details about which mode is correct and which button to press over and over again unless (and even if, but hopefully to a lesser extent) we start building up a knowledgebase
AWhat would be a decent enough a spot for such stuffs? Using the system?