i just downloaded the demo for xpforce, and when i start it up, it causes the stick to like, rumble,

i just downloaded the demo for xpforce, and when i start it up, it causes the stick to like, rumble, (no sim is even running, i even tried turning all the effects and settings in the app to 0, but it still just rumbles/jiggles)

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:06 AM

anyone else know what that's about?

Aamadeus i just downloaded the demo for xpforce, and when i start it up, it causes the st...

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:08 AM

Sorry I don't have alot of experience with xpforce, I have it & it's worked fine for me with msfs2020 but I haven't used it for a few weeks

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:08 AM

weird :X

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:08 AM

hang on I got a second to turn xpforce on

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:09 AM

wondering if maybe the demo is bugged? thonk

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:09 AM

dam it!

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:09 AM

lol

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:10 AM

I forgot it launches msfs!

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:10 AM

lol

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:10 AM

yeah, i disabled that right quick

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:10 AM

but it does it even with MSFS running or not, for me

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:10 AM

yeah I got no rumble

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:11 AM

it's like it makes the stick REALLY stiff, and it enters a bit of a somewhat unstable feedback loop thonk

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:11 AM

& now my msfs went from being on the wrong monitor my second, to being no where! lol it looks like it's opening on a 3rd monitor to the left that I don't have!

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:11 AM

can you maybe export your rhino config?

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:11 AM

maybe i have my sliders in an incompatible spot

Aamadeus can you maybe export your rhino config?

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:12 AM

my Warbird Global is up a lil bit

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:12 AM

ahh, kk, i'll try that

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:12 AM

basically what I use for GA too

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:14 AM

hmmmm

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:14 AM

now when I launched msfs without xpforce it's on the right window

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:17 AM

aha, i think i've figured it out

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:17 AM

you have your friction percentage at 10%, if you crank that to 100%, and send to the device, you'll get the same issue i have (i think)

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:18 AM

this goes back to an earlier issue i had -- where setting a very high friction cause a bit of stable instability wobble

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:18 AM

(like it won't get out of control, but it'll be consistent

Aamadeus you have your friction percentage at 10%, if you crank that to 100%, and send to...

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:44 AM

so was it better with my 10% friction config or worse?

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 4:44 AM

if you lower or turn off friction completely, it fixes the problem -- it's cause vpforce applies a bit of friction itself, that i think triggers the issue

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 4:45 AM

ahh ok, I'll se how I got, I might jump on msfs later & see how everything is

Aamadeus something I am noticing with IL2, not sure if it's intended behavior, a bug, or ...

walmis•2/23/23, 4:54 AM

Yep this is a known issue. This is due to mechanical elasticity of the gimbal, belt tension etc. And I've added parameters to compensate this effect. I hope to get a new sw release out soon.

Aamadeus if you lower or turn off friction completely, it fixes the problem -- it's cause...

walmis•2/23/23, 4:57 AM

Yep friction default settings are not quite optimal and do cause some oscillations. I'll work on this too for the next release.

amadeusOP•2/23/23, 5:00 AM

happy to beta test any firmwares that look into fixing the belt expansion stuff

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:02 AM

It worked

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:02 AM

What the heck

SSwiftVengeance It worked

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 5:03 AM

what your ffb in IL2?

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:05 AM

Yeah

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:06 AM

Maybe they updated the game. I didnt change anything from last time I tested.

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:06 AM

I literally just hopped in and it was working

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:07 AM

My only issue now is for some reason the plane is following me around in vr

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:08 AM

Like im moving my head forward and the whole plane moves forward

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 5:08 AM

you can fly the plane with your head

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 5:08 AM

does roll work?

SSwiftVengeance Like im moving my head forward and the whole plane moves forward

walmis•2/23/23, 5:09 AM

VR Tracking not working perhaps?

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 5:09 AM

or working too good

SwiftVengeance•2/23/23, 5:23 AM

It fixed itself

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 5:23 AM

Gotta love computers

PPiNKSH!T Forced effect will overwrite any of that effect in game. The Settings tab are th...

skyPickle•2/23/23, 1:16 PM

so forced effect on all settings is equal to disabling ffb in dcs?

SskyPickle so forced effect on all settings is equal to disabling ffb in dcs?

PiNKSH!T•2/23/23, 1:18 PM

Walmis would be better to answer this, but from my understanding the Effects tab settings are going to augment the native ffb & if you check forced effect it will overwrite the native ffb, so to answer your question, maybe. Sorry I'm still unclear myself on a few of the details

SskyPickle so forced effect on all settings is equal to disabling ffb in dcs?

walmis•2/23/23, 1:38 PM

Yeah, Forced means it will use spring/etc settings from VPforce settings, and won't let the game override them.
The idea was to have hardware force trim and prevent the game from taking over the spring settings. i.e. firmware controls the virtual center (trim) instead of the game.

walmis•2/23/23, 1:39 PM

I'm thinking of renaming this option to "sticky" perhaps.

walmis•2/23/23, 1:40 PM

Here's a diagram of the data flow:

i just downloaded the demo for xpforce, and when i start it up, it causes the stick to like, rumble,

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