So, in essence, the amount and specific type of effects depends on airplane and model. For DCS purpo

So, in essence, the amount and specific type of effects depends on airplane and model. For DCS purposes - owners can tell you more how it stacks up. I think there's very little if any effects in FBW modules.

Polack-1OP•3/22/23, 9:04 AM

But then you can add some through walmis' software, right?

ddrake1984•3/22/23, 9:04 AM

yeah

Wwalmis FYI guys, I've setup automated release builds for the TelemFFB app for those who...

ddrake1984•3/22/23, 10:50 AM

works as intended, thank you

ddrake1984•3/22/23, 10:51 AM

if you decide to write a sub-program for it so we can tweak the settings, but that's not high on priority

ddrake1984•3/22/23, 10:53 AM

@magpiee this is a good program for you, no need for all the python stuff

ddrake1984•3/22/23, 10:53 AM

now you can finally enjoy all the extra effects with me

Magpie•3/22/23, 11:08 AM

Oh cool

DDr. No wow man, I'd like to see your setup

Stoned Kakapo•3/22/23, 12:22 PM

Meant to say it's perfectly fine* I don't have a pic right now, but here's a vid of me testing trimming on the huey. You can see the belt near my thigh, but in no way rubbing on it or getting caught

Magpie•3/22/23, 12:31 PM

Ummm what’s that on your thigh?

MMagpie Ummm what’s that on your thigh?

JakeSixx33 | 744 |•3/22/23, 12:42 PM

Looks like a kneeboard with a gaming keypad

MMagpie Ummm what’s that on your thigh?

Stoned Kakapo•3/22/23, 12:47 PM

It's a razer taurus velcroed to my kneeboard. I have views, VR zoom, mouse buttons, george/petro/jester AI commands, scroll wheel, and other helpful stuff for vr, mapped to it

Magpie•3/22/23, 12:49 PM

Very cool idea

MMagpie Very cool idea

Stoned Kakapo•3/22/23, 12:54 PM

Thank you! Needed a solution to get all these extra commands, without having to waste buttons on my hotas or other switches.

walmis•3/22/23, 12:58 PM

Pushed v1.0.14 update

Magpie•3/22/23, 1:06 PM

Invert and 4 way hats, legend!

Polack-1OP•3/22/23, 1:16 PM

How does the 4-way hat feature work?

walmis•3/22/23, 1:22 PM

It removes the diagonals

SStoned Kakapo It's a razer taurus velcroed to my kneeboard. I have views, VR zoom, mouse butto...

JakeSixx33 | 744 |•3/22/23, 2:53 PM

Great idea, I switched to a track ball mouse by the joystick after chasing too many mice onto the floor in VR. Tried a left handed one, didn't work with my right hand brain.

PPolack-1 Wait, brunner has ffb rudder? How many thousands of dollars does it run for?

Will3D•3/22/23, 6:31 PM

Several unfortunately. But I do love being able to swap between helis, jets and GA. They are also very strong, so creating artificial endstops is quite convincing.

Polack-1OP•3/22/23, 6:32 PM

do you get rudder stiffening in warbirds? Autopilot pedal movement in Mi24 (as an example):?

PPolack-1 But damn, they look ugly as heck.

Will3D•3/22/23, 6:33 PM

LOL, I take offence at that!

Maybe it's the angle, but they really aren't that bad. I would rather they were silver though, like their yoke.

WWill3D LOL, I take offence at that! 😂 Maybe it's the angle, but they really aren't tha...

Polack-1OP•3/22/23, 6:36 PM

so you're saying you enjoy them

amadeus•3/22/23, 7:02 PM

firmware update day! hype!

WWill3D LOL, I take offence at that! 😂 Maybe it's the angle, but they really aren't tha...

FlatSpin•3/22/23, 7:12 PM

https://tenor.com/view/cat-im-on-the-fence-balancing-gif-9814297

Tenor

Im on the fence

SStoned Kakapo Meant to say it's perfectly fine* I don't have a pic right now, but here's a vid...

Dr. No•3/22/23, 8:14 PM

Could I see side view pictures of a video of your chair and how you have it setup to the desk?
Looks like your setup is much closer to the way my is setup currently where you have the stick vice gripped to the desk.
I have mine currently mounted like their stock photo here from Foxx Mount
Note: quite honestly from your video, it seems if I really want to I can just put something to cover it if I really want, shouldn't be tough.

PPolack-1 so you're saying you enjoy them 🙂

Will3D•3/22/23, 8:37 PM

For the money, I have to!

WWill3D For the money, I have to!

Polack-1OP•3/22/23, 8:39 PM

haha, yeah, there's like two thousand reasons saying it's good, lol

mechsicko•3/22/23, 8:50 PM

@walmis is the grip interface and your board able to process rotary encoder pulses as some of the allotted buttons? Would be pretty sweet to be able to natively use the Alps 'funky switch' or other encoders on grips

PPolack-1 So, in essence, the amount and specific type of effects depends on airplane and ...

RustBelt•3/22/23, 11:59 PM

Other than the F-16 with it’s load sensor fingertip side stick, all FBW has a control load feedback system. Heck hydraulically de-coupled systems like the F-14 even have them. Feel systems are vital to aircraft control. So stuff like the F/A-18 should have pitch load feedback. Heck they had to put the stick mount for the F-16 on rubber so it would have some give to it, because pilots found it way too weird that the stick had no movement at all.

Magpie•3/23/23, 12:19 AM

So does the f18 have pitch load feedback? And should the stick move with the trim? Cos it doesn't in dcs

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:23 AM

You’d have to check the NATOPS for what it should have. I’m a Tomcat only dork. Wagnermobile ain’t my thing.

Magpie•3/23/23, 12:36 AM

Tell me more about tomcat stick feel

Magpie•3/23/23, 12:36 AM

How's the decoupling work

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:47 AM

Just checked hornet just lists “spring load cartridges” and pitch center change in mechanical reversion. So They seem to just have progressive springs, not even a damper

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:48 AM

Tomcat uses push rod linkage that runs from the stick to hydraulic control valves at the actuator.

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:51 AM

Feel is managed by a spring system a trim adjustment linkage, a feel system that varies loads on the push rod linkage, an eddy current damper to resist excessive sudden movement of the stick, and a bob weight that pulls the stick nose down the more g load you put on the plane.

Magpie•3/23/23, 12:53 AM

Ah ok. Sometimes when I'm dogfighting I reach for a negative g roll. Sometimes when I push for negative g it feels like there's almost no force opposing the stick. Would that be the feel system?

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:55 AM

Yes. Unloading the tomcat takes most of the loads off the control linkage it’s actually the recommended way to make quick actions. No energy wasted on lift so all of it can go to pitch roll and yaw changes

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:56 AM

You still have the eddy current damper to prevent you from violently slamming the control valves and actuators around too hard.

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:58 AM

But Bob weight is out of the picture on its negative G stops, and load system for pitch isn’t doing much full stick deflection forward.

RustBelt•3/23/23, 12:58 AM

It’s for fingertip precision flying not big movemrnts

RustBelt•3/23/23, 1:00 AM

So you’re just fighting spring tension and the blood trying to all escape out your head

RustBelt•3/23/23, 1:01 AM

It’s ergonomically a lot harder to push over than pull back.

Magpie•3/23/23, 1:16 AM

Ah that explains it well, thanks
Yeah I saw him pushing the stick far forward and to the left in the speed and angels doco so the next time I was in the tomcat I tried that. It took a while to work out when it was useful but it's fun to do

Magpie•3/23/23, 1:18 AM

Feels so good with the ffb stick

MMagpie Ah ok. Sometimes when I'm dogfighting I reach for a negative g roll. Sometimes w...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:14 AM

Yes

RRustBelt You still have the eddy current damper to prevent you from violently slamming th...

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:15 AM

This is why I do the inertia setting, but its based on length of travel instead of a constant rate

ddrake1984•3/23/23, 2:16 AM

Maybe I need to fiddle with settings more for that realistic feel, but you can yank the stick

Magpie•3/23/23, 2:29 AM

Wait drake's been learning the tomcat without me?

Magpie•3/23/23, 2:30 AM

Ok new question
Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraulics?

So, in essence, the amount and specific type of effects depends on airplane and model. For DCS purpo

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