Phaha, yeah, there's like two thousand reasons saying it's good, lol
M@walmis is the grip interface and your board able to process rotary encoder pulses as some of the allotted buttons? Would be pretty sweet to be able to natively use the Alps 'funky switch' or other encoders on grips
ROther than the F-16 with it’s load sensor fingertip side stick, all FBW has a control load feedback system. Heck hydraulically de-coupled systems like the F-14 even have them. Feel systems are vital to aircraft control. So stuff like the F/A-18 should have pitch load feedback. Heck they had to put the stick mount for the F-16 on rubber so it would have some give to it, because pilots found it way too weird that the stick had no movement at all.
MSo does the f18 have pitch load feedback? And should the stick move with the trim? Cos it doesn't in dcs
RYou’d have to check the NATOPS for what it should have. I’m a Tomcat only dork. Wagnermobile ain’t my thing.
MTell me more about tomcat stick feel
MHow's the decoupling work
RJust checked hornet just lists “spring load cartridges” and pitch center change in mechanical reversion. So They seem to just have progressive springs, not even a damper
RTomcat uses push rod linkage that runs from the stick to hydraulic control valves at the actuator.
RFeel is managed by a spring system a trim adjustment linkage, a feel system that varies loads on the push rod linkage, an eddy current damper to resist excessive sudden movement of the stick, and a bob weight that pulls the stick nose down the more g load you put on the plane.
MAh ok. Sometimes when I'm dogfighting I reach for a negative g roll. Sometimes when I push for negative g it feels like there's almost no force opposing the stick. Would that be the feel system?
RYes. Unloading the tomcat takes most of the loads off the control linkage it’s actually the recommended way to make quick actions. No energy wasted on lift so all of it can go to pitch roll and yaw changes
RYou still have the eddy current damper to prevent you from violently slamming the control valves and actuators around too hard.
RBut Bob weight is out of the picture on its negative G stops, and load system for pitch isn’t doing much full stick deflection forward.
RIt’s for fingertip precision flying not big movemrnts
RSo you’re just fighting spring tension and the blood trying to all escape out your head
RIt’s ergonomically a lot harder to push over than pull back.
MAh that explains it well, thanks
Yeah I saw him pushing the stick far forward and to the left in the speed and angels doco so the next time I was in the tomcat I tried that. It took a while to work out when it was useful but it's fun to do
Yeah I saw him pushing the stick far forward and to the left in the speed and angels doco so the next time I was in the tomcat I tried that. It took a while to work out when it was useful but it's fun to do
MFeels so good with the ffb stick
DThis is why I do the inertia setting, but its based on length of travel instead of a constant rate
DMaybe I need to fiddle with settings more for that realistic feel, but you can yank the stick
MWait drake's been learning the tomcat without me?
MOk new question
Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraulics?
Say the sabre has no real feel whatsoever. Its that because it has decoupled hydraulics?
MWhat came first? Coupled or decoupled? Does coupled give any feel?
TAs much as I remember the Sabre had hydraulic assistance to its controls, which was one of the main points of John Boyd's OODA loop theory, but I still think there was a direct connect between the stick and the affected control surface.
MOk, I just don't feel anything when flying the sabre really
MBut the mig15 has heaps of character
D@hart28
DHelp magpie with sabre
D
DFound this on wiki
PI also like to think of the FFB base not just for giving the exact feelings the aircraft would give through the stick, but also to add some effects that we might otherwise feel through the seat or the body of the aircraft our our own bodies since we're not able to feel all these things without some major hardware in many cases, maybe as things like a "jetSeat" & butt kickers are added some less realistic effects could be removed from the stick. Things like flying a FBW F18 & feeling through the stick each wheel leave/hit the ground is really handy even though we likely wouldn't feel this the same way through a 'real FBW' stick. Anyway just my take.
DThis is why I want buttkicker& jetseat
PIs this with or without the Telem app? Sorry if I've missed this answer already.
DGood point, last I remember magpie was scared to use the telem app
DOr was he expecting the effects to be present by default without the app
PYeah that's my main question really, I haven't tested the Sabre with the Rhino yet. It's all up to the individual module makers whether or not there's any FFB effects & if any what they are.
DI was flying huey last night, found that the telem app was needed
DNot for “extra” effects, but just the ground resonance
DIs there a list someone has done that explains all the aircraft with their default ffb effects and the additional ones? I think someone should do this
DI think @magpiee should do it
MI guess I fly all the planes
MI just need to learn how the stick functions irl too in order to contest it
MI haven't used the telem app yet
DWell.. huey has force trim by default, telem adds additional feel of buffeting and guns firing from what I have tested (minimally)
DIm curious to test the new firmware endstops, not sure what some of the other firmware options means tho
Phey m8, sorry been afk. I think this was talked about when people make changes &/or add effects to different aircraft we could post them on github? I always use the telem app when flying dcs, I could be wrong but I understood it to be that the app will only add effects not overwrite any that are default for the module.
DYeah, I use the telem too, was just curious to know what default effects are enabled for the airframes and what the telem is providing as additional and could provide if configured
=I don't use FFB yet, so I can't be much help there unfortunately