Are there any drawings or measurments of the FFB motors? Anybody got a good source for timing belts

Are there any drawings or measurments of the FFB motors?
Anybody got a good source for timing belts and pulleys?

TTroll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴Are there any drawings or measurments of the FFB motors? Anybody got a good sour...

mechsicko•4/7/23, 6:45 AM

There are, I also modeled them and have them as Fusion or step files if you need. Belts picked up through Beidler's Belts (Gates GT tooth, 5mm pitch... HTD belts are more common), small pulleys you can find on Amazon/Aliexpress etc and big ones you can print. I just posted some pics in the showcase channel of the small form factor version (150mm cube) I'm developing into kits to offer to go with walmis's kits.

Mmechsicko There are, I also modeled them and have them as Fusion or step files if you need...

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴OP•4/7/23, 7:02 AM

I have ordered the 86BLF04 motors. If you have STP files of those, that would be really helpful!

mechsicko•4/7/23, 7:20 AM

No I modeled the 57xxx motors. I am working on a kit for the bigger motors but for now am using a generic modeled Nema34 that's 95mm long I found on GrabCAD for free. At some point I'll model the driver segment walmis adds to them but this is the one I think https://grabcad.com/library/stepper-motor-nema-34-3

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walmis•4/7/23, 7:22 AM

Yeah, it's basically standard NEMA34

walmis•4/7/23, 7:22 AM

j5bit•4/8/23, 12:10 AM

VPForce Invoice -- I've never been so keen to pay the man. I'm really excited

oncentreline•4/8/23, 11:48 AM

Hi All,
I’m thinking of placing an order in the next few days but before I do, can someone provide some idea of how ‘smooth’ the force feedback/range of joystick motion is? For those that have tried FFB steering wheels, is the Rhino more like a Fanatec direct drive wheel or like the Logitech G920?
Thanks!

Ooncentreline Hi All, I’m thinking of placing an order in the next few days but before I do, c...

recoilfx•4/8/23, 12:05 PM

Haven't tried the DD steer wheels, but I have had experiences with MSFFB2 and Logitech G940. Rhino's motor are SMOOTH. You are not going to notice the cogging.

Ooncentreline Hi All, I’m thinking of placing an order in the next few days but before I do, c...

Naudiz•4/8/23, 12:35 PM

Hey, this review was really helpful for me

https://youtu.be/Uycth01W4EY

YouTubeAntti Ilomäki

Initial impressions on VPForce Rhino that turns into rambling and hype

Remember I don't have a lot of stick time on the Rhino, this is just a first look. Also don't take too seriously, I kind of got carried away.

00:00 Intro
01:12 Can you feel the motors and gears in a bad way?
06:42 How strong is it?
11:48 But does it have endurance?
14:04 How does it actually feel?
16:30 I get all excited as my stick gets stiffe...

Naudiz•4/8/23, 12:36 PM

Credit to @andyhill I think

Naudiz•4/8/23, 12:37 PM

He gets into the cogging feel in the first few minutes

AndyHill•4/8/23, 12:56 PM

I don't have experience with DD wheels so I can't really say much about that

AndyHill•4/8/23, 12:56 PM

it's hard to describe what the rhino feels like

AndyHill•4/8/23, 12:57 PM

first of all, I have never used a joystick where I couldn't feel the mechanism at all and I have tried a lot of them

AndyHill•4/8/23, 12:58 PM

you can feel the mechanism working on the rhino as well, but it doesn't feel clunky at all

AndyHill•4/8/23, 1:02 PM

all in all for me the total feel of the Rhino, free from the tyranny of springs, is just so different compared to non-ffb sticks that whatever you can feel of the mechanism working just kind of adds to the feel of pulleys and levers working on actual control surfaces

Ooncentreline Hi All, I’m thinking of placing an order in the next few days but before I do, c...

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/8/23, 1:34 PM

It'll be 10+ months before you would be asked to put money down - sooner you get in line sooner you'll get yours and you can leave the line at anytime

Reed•4/8/23, 1:46 PM

I’m number 88. Can’t wait

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/8/23, 1:59 PM

I'm 98

Naudiz•4/8/23, 2:20 PM

I’ll sign up too, worst case scenario I have to pass and it just goes on to the next person waiting patiently

Naudiz•4/8/23, 2:41 PM

What’s the mounting situation on a MonsterTech base? I see the adapter in the form but is it functionally fine with the force feedback and such?

AndyHill•4/8/23, 3:55 PM

I don't know about the Monstertech base, but whatever your solution, it will need to be solid through and through. The Rhino weighs over 5kg, but that's just the start. It's going to push and pull and shake and rattle a lot if you use it at high settings. My gut feeling is that aluminum profile -based setups (like I think monstertech is) are fine as long as they are very solidly attached to something really sturdy and heavy

inpayne•4/8/23, 4:08 PM

I’m about to hook mine up to a monster tech desk mount. We’ll see how it does. I can post in a day or two

NNaudiz What’s the mounting situation on a MonsterTech base? I see the adapter in the fo...

amadeus•4/8/23, 4:13 PM

📃general been running it for a couple months now on a Monstertech mount

amadeus•4/8/23, 4:14 PM

No issues yet

Mike (Mugs)•4/8/23, 4:31 PM

same

Ooncentreline Hi All, I’m thinking of placing an order in the next few days but before I do, c...

Knight59•4/8/23, 4:52 PM

It feels as smooth, if not smoother than a high end non ffb base, such as the Virpil WarBRD. Yes, that smooth! I was a skeptic until I got mine, too. You will be pleased.

Naudiz•4/8/23, 7:14 PM

Alright noted, the standard table-mounted MonsterTech probably isn’t gonna do then

LeLv30_Superbus•4/8/23, 7:35 PM

is SMOOooth........

I fly VR only and I can't tell whether it's sticking up in some viscous fluid or suspended by

LeLv30_Superbus•4/8/23, 7:42 PM

Yes, smoother than Gunfighter MK II (which is a smooth base)

inpayne•4/8/23, 8:02 PM

Just got home to check mine out. Looks really nice. Unfortunately with the monstertech mount it doesn’t come with hardware. So gonna have to run to the hardware store before I can try it

Iinpayne Just got home to check mine out. Looks really nice. Unfortunately with the monst...

Anthony•4/8/23, 9:03 PM

What’s missing from what they sent you?

inpayne•4/8/23, 10:52 PM

Bolts and nuts to connect to the base. But no big deal really. I guess I’m not really sure if that’s to be expected or not.

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TheAmazinGreat•4/9/23, 2:46 AM

Freejoy?

Iinpayne Bolts and nuts to connect to the base. But no big deal really. I guess I’m not r...

walmis•4/9/23, 4:58 AM

Yeah, it's a good idea to start adding those along it with the plate

gigachad_numba1•4/9/23, 6:25 AM

just a question, how does the FFB feel with 200mm Virpil's extension?

Iinpayne Bolts and nuts to connect to the base. But no big deal really. I guess I’m not r...

Anthony•4/9/23, 6:33 AM

How odd, those have always been included when I’ve ordered

Ggigachad_numba1 just a question, how does the FFB feel with 200mm Virpil's extension?

Magpie•4/9/23, 7:02 AM

Good but I wouldn't turn down having stronger motors

MMagpie Good but I wouldn't turn down having stronger motors

gigachad_numba1•4/9/23, 7:10 AM

and is it possible to modify Rhino's with a stronger motor?

Magpie•4/9/23, 7:21 AM

There's a kit you can use to start making your own with stronger motors. A lot of inventive people here have taken a myriad of approaches with them

Wwalmis Yeah, it's a good idea to start adding those along it with the plate 🙂

inpayne•4/9/23, 12:01 PM

No biggie. But yeah doesn’t hurt!

JakeSixx33 | 744 |•4/9/23, 3:15 PM

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VPforceBot•4/9/23, 3:15 PM

Hey @jakesixx33,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0073 on 2023-04-06
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 150 days, median is 190 days, max is 214 days
74 Rhinos are shipped in total

Wwalmis Yeah, it's basically standard NEMA34

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴OP•4/9/23, 7:29 PM

@walmis can you confirm that the motor axle of the 86BLF04 is as in the picture, 12,7mm diameter with two flats?

TTroll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴@walmis can you confirm that the motor axle of the 86BLF04 is as in the picture...

walmis•4/9/23, 7:32 PM

Yep, that's correct

nospooky•4/9/23, 8:00 PM

so i have been thinking of making a ffb joystick of my own and while the hardware side is not really a problem for me i dont know much about the software side

nospooky•4/9/23, 8:01 PM

so my question was what kinda software are you using and would it also be usable for brushed motors?

Nnospooky so my question was what kinda software are you using and would it also be usable...

TheAmazinGreat•4/9/23, 9:26 PM

The kits that walmis has for sale come with all the electronics and the software used to configure the electronics can be found on the VPForce website. All the kits have brushless motors. The electronics and motors are sold together so the only DIY part of the kit is the hardware. You can not buy the motors separate from the main board or vice versa.

nospooky•4/9/23, 9:37 PM

hmm

nospooky•4/9/23, 9:37 PM

so you need the main board to even drive ant motor?

Are there any drawings or measurments of the FFB motors? Anybody got a good source for timing belts

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