There are 2 unassigned axes on the board you could use for the toebrakes but there is not a 3rd axis

There are 2 unassigned axes on the board you could use for the toebrakes but there is not a 3rd axis for motor control you would need to use one of the kit's axes for that, though there has been some folks doing this as well as some other ff pedals someone made. Making them work in sims would req a bit of work but doable.

Not sure what you mean with the usb question, but the spi interface is on the board if you wanted a separate thing for that I'm pretty sure others exist

Hharf4ng What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about v...

mechsickoOP•4/12/23, 10:01 PM

Brunner is expensive, has limited mounting options, does not work with DirectInput without jumping through hoops using 3rd party software people struggle with to this day, even when it's working has connectivity caveats, the power cuts out if you hold full force for 20s or more, it runs hot. I've followed the Brunner threads on ED since it started a few years and it seems endless. A brunner owner @Sunshine recently found his way here to make a vpforce and can elaborate if he wants.

Meanwhile VPForce is plug and play with DirectInput, can output full force indefinitely since it has outrunner motors and active cooling, has a GUI to further augment profiles for planes/sims or make spring or damping profiles for sims that have nothing, a telemetry extraction app to enhance or replace shoddy feedback on sims that are lacking, costs way less, is available in kit form so crafty folk can make their own easily, has 2 unassigned axes that can be used for gain control, fans, game stuff

Mmechsicko There are 2 unassigned axes on the board you could use for the toebrakes but the...

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:01 PM

Is that all it is, an SPI signal that comes out of the handgrip?

SSunshine Is that all it is, an SPI signal that comes out of the handgrip?

mechsickoOP•4/12/23, 10:02 PM

Yep, the vp board can interpret TM, Virpil, BaurBRD and any that use the same protocol natively, WinWing with an adapter but VKB req its own 'black box' you would need to route its wires to.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:03 PM

The toe brakes I could make a separate USB joystick, no biggie, it's the closed source software that I have no idea about with it working for rudder pedals

Hharf4ng What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about v...

Knight59•4/12/23, 10:04 PM

I'm running the 200 mm Virpil extension on the rhino base and it's great!

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:07 PM

Yes, I have to run a USB Arduino that connects to the Brunner via UDP. The Arduino does the conversion to Direct Input.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:08 PM

It works well for that but is an extra step and additional software being ran.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:10 PM

But the Brunner appears to be direct drive,no gear ratio to amplify the torque, so using extensions means the motors heat up quickly. If I don't fly and adjust trim continually to remove the force on the stick, it'll give out quick and it's a giant box between my thighs

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:11 PM

And it was 2x the price of a Rhino

SSunshine Another question, has anyone made an adapter or firmware that takes the TM style...

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:11 PM

It’s how my current franken sidewinder works. MMJOY2 on an Arduino Pro Micro talking to the TM stick shift registers.

RRustBelt It’s how my current franken sidewinder works. MMJOY2 on an Arduino Pro Micro tal...

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:12 PM

Ok, so it's pretty straight forward then

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:14 PM

Yea just search the web for MMJOY2 and dig into it.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:14 PM

With the Rhino DIY setup, I envision I could put all of it in the floorboard of my cockpit and use a proper length stick extension. Could even have a tandem cockpit where both sticks are driven by the same kit.

RRustBelt Yea just search the web for MMJOY2 and dig into it.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:15 PM

I just built a button box that uses a similar project to MMJoy but uses a cheap STM32 Mcu.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:15 PM

FreeJoy?

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:15 PM

Debolistis

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:16 PM

Don’t know if that talks shift regester

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:16 PM

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:17 PM

I used a Debolistis shift register boards with the FreeJoy and STM32, works perfect

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:18 PM

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:18 PM

I was going to say he also has a Board that breaks out the Pro Micro to the shift register pin header

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:19 PM

Just wire up a mini-din 5 pin female and plug it into the TM stick

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:20 PM

Ok, I didn't realize it was that simple

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:20 PM

That opens up every single Virpil stick to me

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:22 PM

Yeup. Not positive on how it talks analogue through the Shift register, The Rhino board is already set up to read it out of the box

SSunshine Ok, I didn't realize it was that simple

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:26 PM

If you’re in the US, I have an extra Debolistis ProMicro to SPI break out board i can send you as i had to order 3 from OSH park.

RRustBelt If you’re in the US, I have an extra Debolistis ProMicro to SPI break out board ...

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:27 PM

I still have 2 more 64 input boards I haven't soldered up yet

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:31 PM

It’s this one, because a blue pill is overkill for buttons. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Bp6mCRsf

OSH Park ~

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:32 PM

With the inland or amazon rando copies of the ProMicro it’s way cheaper for just buttons

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:34 PM

Their even labeled in Thrustmaster wire color for extra lazy

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:34 PM

My blue pills were super cheap

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:34 PM

Ah I see.

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:35 PM

I get my pro micros for $9.99 at Microcenter. Cause I’m spoiled by being near one.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:36 PM

Think I got a 5 pack of blue pills for 15$

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:36 PM

But either works. Especially if you already have one

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:36 PM

Wow!

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:36 PM

Good deal

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:37 PM

I like the FreeJoy project because it's still active and updated, MMjoy is now abandoned

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:37 PM

Yea I’ll probably switch when I run out of pro micros. Or need faster sharper input

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:37 PM

My blue pills are generic STM32's but still work

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:38 PM

STM32, are super handy. I use them for real-time data in my race car.

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:39 PM

Much more versatile than ATmega32s

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:40 PM

I used to program Atmel Megas in C, before Arduino's were a thing

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:40 PM

Now 8bit MCu's are ancient and everyone just uses 32 bit even for simple things

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:41 PM

They’re cheap enough and pumped out at scale

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:41 PM

Open source has changed everything, the collective brain power of thousands allows for so much more than anything I could have done on my own

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:43 PM

Yea it’s great, half the stuff I have and make only would ever happen due to open source

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:44 PM

It’s a good time to be a maker. If raw material costs would just calm the heck down….

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:44 PM

My 3D printers have made my machine shop collect dust. But If I go make rudder pedals, I'll clean up my shop and do it out of metal

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:45 PM

But material cost is so cheap with 3D printing, it really makes it hard to step away from 3D printing

There are 2 unassigned axes on the board you could use for the toebrakes but there is not a 3rd axis

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