What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about vp force today, this

What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about vp force today, this was the only force feedback stick I knew off.
Wonder how a vp force will work with an extension, as an helicopter cyclic.

harf4ngOP•4/12/23, 7:58 PM

Hi, if a grip is displayed as supported by the rhino does it mean all buttons and axis of the grip are supported ?

amadeus•4/12/23, 8:11 PM

afaik, yes

amadeus•4/12/23, 8:11 PM

i have the virpil alpha grip, and it has all the axis and buttons available

harf4ngOP•4/12/23, 8:51 PM

How does it work to order ? Do we pay only when the product is ready to be shipped ?

Boosted•4/12/23, 8:52 PM

You pay when ready to ship, yes

Boosted•4/12/23, 8:54 PM

107 to go, lol

Hharf4ng What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about v...

LeLv30_Superbus•4/12/23, 9:04 PM

is a dream come true for

and I've only flown Huey so far.

LeLv30_Superbus•4/12/23, 9:04 PM

I've got 200 mm curved extension

Sunshine•4/12/23, 9:25 PM

I already have the Brunner stick but I want to replace my CH pedals with FFB pedals. Does this project support DIY pedals with the current firmware and software?

Sunshine•4/12/23, 9:25 PM

I have a machine shop, no issue making decent pedals

Sunshine•4/12/23, 9:26 PM

FFB pedals would be amazing for helicopters and multi engine warbirds

Sunshine•4/12/23, 9:36 PM

Another question, has anyone made an adapter or firmware that takes the TM style handgrip signals and break them out into USB separate from the stick base?

LLeLv30_Superbus I've got 200 mm curved extension

Anthony•4/12/23, 9:39 PM

The VPC one?

Hharf4ng Hi, if a grip is displayed as supported by the rhino does it mean all buttons an...

ddrake1984•4/12/23, 9:50 PM

Some grips like vkb and winwing need the vpforce adapter tho

ddrake1984•4/12/23, 9:51 PM

vkb goes to the blackbox, make sure you have one of those

SSunshine I already have the Brunner stick but I want to replace my CH pedals with FFB ped...

mechsicko•4/12/23, 9:51 PM

There are 2 unassigned axes on the board you could use for the toebrakes but there is not a 3rd axis for motor control you would need to use one of the kit's axes for that, though there has been some folks doing this as well as some other ff pedals someone made. Making them work in sims would req a bit of work but doable.

Not sure what you mean with the usb question, but the spi interface is on the board if you wanted a separate thing for that I'm pretty sure others exist

Hharf4ng What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about v...

mechsicko•4/12/23, 10:01 PM

Brunner is expensive, has limited mounting options, does not work with DirectInput without jumping through hoops using 3rd party software people struggle with to this day, even when it's working has connectivity caveats, the power cuts out if you hold full force for 20s or more, it runs hot. I've followed the Brunner threads on ED since it started a few years and it seems endless. A brunner owner @Sunshine recently found his way here to make a vpforce and can elaborate if he wants.

Meanwhile VPForce is plug and play with DirectInput, can output full force indefinitely since it has outrunner motors and active cooling, has a GUI to further augment profiles for planes/sims or make spring or damping profiles for sims that have nothing, a telemetry extraction app to enhance or replace shoddy feedback on sims that are lacking, costs way less, is available in kit form so crafty folk can make their own easily, has 2 unassigned axes that can be used for gain control, fans, game stuff

Mmechsicko There are 2 unassigned axes on the board you could use for the toebrakes but the...

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:01 PM

Is that all it is, an SPI signal that comes out of the handgrip?

SSunshine Is that all it is, an SPI signal that comes out of the handgrip?

mechsicko•4/12/23, 10:02 PM

Yep, the vp board can interpret TM, Virpil, BaurBRD and any that use the same protocol natively, WinWing with an adapter but VKB req its own 'black box' you would need to route its wires to.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:03 PM

The toe brakes I could make a separate USB joystick, no biggie, it's the closed source software that I have no idea about with it working for rudder pedals

Hharf4ng What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about v...

Knight59•4/12/23, 10:04 PM

I'm running the 200 mm Virpil extension on the rhino base and it's great!

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:07 PM

Yes, I have to run a USB Arduino that connects to the Brunner via UDP. The Arduino does the conversion to Direct Input.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:08 PM

It works well for that but is an extra step and additional software being ran.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:10 PM

But the Brunner appears to be direct drive,no gear ratio to amplify the torque, so using extensions means the motors heat up quickly. If I don't fly and adjust trim continually to remove the force on the stick, it'll give out quick and it's a giant box between my thighs

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:11 PM

And it was 2x the price of a Rhino

SSunshine Another question, has anyone made an adapter or firmware that takes the TM style...

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:11 PM

It’s how my current franken sidewinder works. MMJOY2 on an Arduino Pro Micro talking to the TM stick shift registers.

RRustBelt It’s how my current franken sidewinder works. MMJOY2 on an Arduino Pro Micro tal...

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:12 PM

Ok, so it's pretty straight forward then

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:14 PM

Yea just search the web for MMJOY2 and dig into it.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:14 PM

With the Rhino DIY setup, I envision I could put all of it in the floorboard of my cockpit and use a proper length stick extension. Could even have a tandem cockpit where both sticks are driven by the same kit.

RRustBelt Yea just search the web for MMJOY2 and dig into it.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:15 PM

I just built a button box that uses a similar project to MMJoy but uses a cheap STM32 Mcu.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:15 PM

FreeJoy?

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:15 PM

Debolistis

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:16 PM

Don’t know if that talks shift regester

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:16 PM

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:17 PM

I used a Debolistis shift register boards with the FreeJoy and STM32, works perfect

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:18 PM

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:18 PM

I was going to say he also has a Board that breaks out the Pro Micro to the shift register pin header

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:19 PM

Just wire up a mini-din 5 pin female and plug it into the TM stick

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:20 PM

Ok, I didn't realize it was that simple

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:20 PM

That opens up every single Virpil stick to me

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:22 PM

Yeup. Not positive on how it talks analogue through the Shift register, The Rhino board is already set up to read it out of the box

SSunshine Ok, I didn't realize it was that simple

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:26 PM

If you’re in the US, I have an extra Debolistis ProMicro to SPI break out board i can send you as i had to order 3 from OSH park.

RRustBelt If you’re in the US, I have an extra Debolistis ProMicro to SPI break out board ...

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:27 PM

I still have 2 more 64 input boards I haven't soldered up yet

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:31 PM

It’s this one, because a blue pill is overkill for buttons. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Bp6mCRsf

OSH Park ~

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:32 PM

With the inland or amazon rando copies of the ProMicro it’s way cheaper for just buttons

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:34 PM

Their even labeled in Thrustmaster wire color for extra lazy

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:34 PM

My blue pills were super cheap

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:34 PM

Ah I see.

RustBelt•4/12/23, 10:35 PM

I get my pro micros for $9.99 at Microcenter. Cause I’m spoiled by being near one.

Sunshine•4/12/23, 10:36 PM

Think I got a 5 pack of blue pills for 15$

What do you mean by that ? Never owned a brunner but before I have heard about vp force today, this

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