For helos it would make a lot of sense for me, vs the damper mod I have on it. Very ambitious, but

For helos it would make a lot of sense for me, vs the damper mod I have on it. Very ambitious, but I would love it if there was an easy way to add motors to toe break to simulate hydraulic pressure. I feel like I would feel some haptic sensation from the pedals during turbulence and what not

Anthony•4/29/23, 7:14 PM

It could be a decent artificial feedback for it

Anthony•4/29/23, 7:15 PM

And as @stonedkakapo just said, also good for helos

Wwalmis Tuesday is the day, after the 'Labour day' holiday in Europe 🙂

Reed•4/29/23, 7:24 PM

Nice. No rush homie. Appreciate your hard work.

SStoned Kakapo anyone currently adding FFB to their mfg crosswinds? 😄 would love to follow alo...

kingjamez•4/29/23, 10:20 PM

It's next on my list after finishing my mini-Rhino. I've got the crosswind pedals already and can start working on the CAD as soon as I finish my first stick.

Lleninjahd Ffb doesnt really make sense on rudder pedals doesnt it?

kingjamez•4/29/23, 10:22 PM

Absolutely it does. Especially for GA and gliders. As @walmis pointed out, it's super strong during a slip but even airspeed vs pressure on a cessna is super noticeable in real life. My legs are tired from pressing the right rudder after a long flight doing pattern work (where lots of slips are used). For gliders it's even more pronounced: Almost no resistance on the ground but increasingly so as speed increases. I think you fly a K-21 @leninjahd , I haven't flown one of those yet, but in the 2-33 I fly learning the "feel" of the pedals is certainly part of the flight training.

Kkingjamez Absolutely it does. Especially for GA and gliders. As @walmis pointed out, it's ...

mechsicko•4/29/23, 10:44 PM

Glider pilot here.. there is nothing you feel on the rudder in a side slip or even full forward slip that would have any benefit from active feedback. Air is still just trying to push it back to center. Helicopter anti torque pedals would benefit from a trimmer though. Varying strength of rudder centering would be nice and all but imo ff rudder is still a solution looking for a problem

kingjamez•4/30/23, 12:22 AM

Interesting perspective. You don't experience the feel of the rudder changing with speed? I don't think FFB would add "required" feedback but I do think it would bring added realism. At least in my experience the required force during a pre-flight check is significantly weaker than when doing a turn at speed. I'd describe it kinda like you can feel your foot swinging the rear of the glider back into position. Edit: Another example from GA is when doing stalls and spins. When you bring that nose up and airspeed drops the rudder becomes very "floppy" as that stall horn starts to whine. Then as you dive to gain airspeed it tightens back up pretty quickly.

SStoned Kakapo For helos it would make a lot of sense for me, vs the damper mod I have on it. ...

PiNKSH!T•4/30/23, 3:39 AM

I've been thinking about this, but aren't toe brakes just, well, brakes? so what about a load cell mod for the toe brakes & the ffb for the rudder axis?

Kkingjamez Interesting perspective. You don't experience the feel of the rudder changing wi...

PiNKSH!T•4/30/23, 3:44 AM

yeah all good reasons to have ffb. What I've come to believe personally since having the Rhino is that ffb is really good for emulating the different feelings you get in flight controls through different flight regimes & even on the ground feel, as you stated with the rudder pedals feeling 'floppy' at some points compared to their stiffening when going at higher speeds. I think ffb effects like gun shake etc. are great bonuses for immersion/fun, but the ability to customize the feel of stick/rudder for each aircraft & have those differing feelings in the controls for each is the major 'selling point' for ffb imho.

PPiNKSH!T I've been thinking about this, but aren't toe brakes just, well, brakes? so what...

Stoned KakapoOP•4/30/23, 5:01 AM

I guess it would depend what brakes you're using and when. Like in the av8b, I remember when towing, the brakes would gradually get stiffer as I kept pumping em. Incredibly small detail, but would be nice to experience in VR

. By load cell, you mean those spring l looking things some sim racing pedals have?

SStoned Kakapo I guess it would depend what brakes you're using and when. Like in the av8b, I r...

PiNKSH!T•4/30/23, 5:04 AM

yeah typically the brake pedal on decent sim racing sets will have a load cell, usually with a spring then a soft rubber then harder rubber pads that push onto the load cell, the load cell just registers the amount of pressure pressed down on it. All this gives the feeling similar to a real car brake pedal

BadKarma•4/30/23, 8:36 AM

I see that you guys are talking about rudder pedals with ffb; for those interested in what it does to your game go check out some reviews about the new Simucube Pedals with ffb

BadKarma•4/30/23, 8:37 AM

Those that also do sim racing know what I’m talking about

BadKarma•4/30/23, 8:37 AM

https://youtu.be/82FD9OreCwo

YouTubeBoosted Media

Simucube's WORLD FIRST FORCE FEEDBACK Sim Racing Pedals! - RAW FIRS...

Ever since I got into Sim Racing, it's been pretty clear to me that there has been three things missing when compared with real-life racing. A sense of danger, a sense of sustained cornering g-forces, and a sense of how the brakes are actually performing underfoot. So when Simucube announced the world's first ACTIVE Force Feedback Sim Racing Ped...

BadKarma•4/30/23, 8:38 AM

His face when he pressed the brake for the first time

boss808450•4/30/23, 8:52 AM

i hope the price of a single pedal is just an attempt to fish for how much people are willing to pay, beause i can not see even an enthusiast justify that price

boss808450•4/30/23, 8:56 AM

that is the price of a motion rig

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/30/23, 9:12 AM

Simucube is the highest end company big sim company on the market all of their stuff is super expensive. I agree it is overpriced AF but that's what their demographic is. Their demographic is used to paying such premium pricing for premium things.

I'd argue motion rigs are also overpriced. DIY is so much cheaper to achieve the same thing (pending on what motion rig you get ofc)

If someone just wants some rumble, Sim3d makes a rumble kit for pedals

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/30/23, 9:13 AM

Boosted Media has like a $100k sim rig themselves, if that tells you anything about how they view prices of things

Jon (Bounty_V)•4/30/23, 9:15 AM

Speaking of FFB in non-traditional things there's a DIY FFB shifter kit. Makes the shifter feel like a real one mechanically, with proper resistance, vibrations, etc. and can change between H and Sequential

Number481•4/30/23, 11:39 AM

Has anyone successfully mounted their Rhino to a Virpil desk mount? I've come up with a design I think will work using aluminum box tubing and plates (if I can figure out how to build it or have it built).

I'm trying to keep the overall stick height and position the same as my current setup (Virpil CM3). I plan on keeping the 200cm offset extension I am using as that will put the Rhino low enough to clear my chair.

Here's my rough design.. looking for feedback or to see if anyone has any better ideas. Seems I'd be able to get away with 20deg throw.. perhaps could get full deflection if I pulled the Rhino a bit farther from the mount.

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kingjamez•4/30/23, 2:44 PM

I’m building the plywood version of @mabo1972 ‘s mount from GitHub. I’d like to build it to be tolerant of different belt setups (slightly different teeth count or different gear ratios). Does anyone have any experience on whether it’s better to add an adjustable idler or to add slots to the motor bolt holes to allow it to slide? https://github.com/mabo1972/FFB-Joystick-Base-Plywood

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kingjamez•4/30/23, 7:18 PM

I've got plenty of plywood. I'll try an idler in a slot first. If that doesn't work, I'll make the motor mounts into slots.

roller25.•4/30/23, 11:36 PM

Any news on Telemffb supporting MSFS2020?

Rroller25.Any news on Telemffb supporting MSFS2020?

leninjahd•5/1/23, 5:41 AM

We are working on it, but there is still a lot to do and it isnt documented at all yet

Lleninjahd We are working on it, but there is still a lot to do and it isnt documented at a...

roller25.•5/1/23, 8:48 AM

No worries mate, cheers. Be great to get a better solution than XPForce.

Rroller25.No worries mate, cheers. Be great to get a better solution than XPForce.

leninjahd•5/1/23, 8:49 AM

If you know a bit of python you can try it out on the wip branch on github. Most effects are missing. I have implemented engine rpm rumble, but it is not on the branch yet

roller25.•5/1/23, 9:04 AM

Is a trim solution implemented? I'll take a look

inv•5/1/23, 10:58 AM

Question about directinput ffb and dcs. Does dcs command an exact amount of force to the stick based on what a pilot would experience in the real plane? Could you simulate this exactly if the length of the stick, motors etc was known? The master gain functionality on the stick works great, but a bit confused om how to get the most realistic result.

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:12 AM

You’d need bloody strong motors

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:13 AM

The current iteration just gives you an indication
Some stick forces are massive

MMagpie The current iteration just gives you an indication Some stick forces are massive

inv•5/1/23, 11:31 AM

For the highest forces yes, but for most use cases (normal flying) surely the Rhino covers it. Maxing forces / gain makes normal flying really tough.

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:32 AM

It’s almost too gentle in the middle for some planes I feel

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:32 AM

Like the spitty and mozzie are still very wobbly

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:32 AM

The flying is never hard though

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:33 AM

I think it just teaches you the be a bit less extreme

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:33 AM

The only two you yank to the limit is the hornet and the m2k as they are fbw

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:33 AM

And maybe the 109 if you didn’t trim in the turn

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:34 AM

Every other plane just is a gentle pull well within the axis limits (until you’re slow)

inv•5/1/23, 11:34 AM

I guess this is my question. Does dcs tell directinput that it wants exactly x amount of force in some direction and how does this translate to the stick which has all sorts of force multiplyer config?

inv•5/1/23, 11:37 AM

Since the rhino knows its motor size, gear ratios and ~ stick length could it just not provide the exact force that dcs wants? Maybe this is what it is doing and I am misunderstanding how the config tool works

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:45 AM

Umm I don’t really get the question.

I think dcs just says. Hey I’m this scenario apply 35 percent spring force on the x axis. And a p effect that shakes the stick too at 45 percent force.

You as the user decide in dcs to set the gain of those forces on the stick
And you also get to change the gain in Walmis program

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:45 AM

Generally I try to use as much force as I can without overheating the stick during a sweaty dogfight

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:46 AM

If I had bigger motors I’d get them to apply more force

MMagpie If I had bigger motors I’d get them to apply more force

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 11:46 AM

24nm build coming up?

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:46 AM

If I had obscenely big motors then I’d start looking at the natops or something to find the max stick forces

Magpie•5/1/23, 11:47 AM

Like isn’t it like 25kg for the tomcat?

For helos it would make a lot of sense for me, vs the damper mod I have on it. Very ambitious, but

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