Umm I don’t really get the question. I think dcs just says. Hey I’m this scenario apply 35 percent

Umm I don’t really get the question.

I think dcs just says. Hey I’m this scenario apply 35 percent spring force on the x axis. And a p effect that shakes the stick too at 45 percent force.

You as the user decide in dcs to set the gain of those forces on the stick
And you also get to change the gain in Walmis program

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 11:45 AM

Generally I try to use as much force as I can without overheating the stick during a sweaty dogfight

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 11:46 AM

If I had bigger motors I’d get them to apply more force

MMagpie If I had bigger motors I’d get them to apply more force

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 11:46 AM

24nm build coming up?

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 11:46 AM

If I had obscenely big motors then I’d start looking at the natops or something to find the max stick forces

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 11:47 AM

Like isn’t it like 25kg for the tomcat?

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 11:47 AM

all I want is for the extension to bend when flying a warbird in a dogfight ok?

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 11:47 AM

And the m2k elastic pull is like 50kg?

PPiNKSH!T all I want is for the extension to bend when flying a warbird in a dogfight ok?

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 11:47 AM

Maybe in 2027

Polack-1•5/1/23, 12:08 PM

so what's the state of MSFS integration lately?

PPolack-1 so what's the state of MSFS integration lately?

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 12:09 PM

📃general

Polack-1•5/1/23, 12:09 PM

I've been so busy enjoying DCS that I completely forgot I even have MSFS

PPiNKSH!T https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/965234441511383083/1102378025103...

Polack-1•5/1/23, 12:10 PM

ah, thanks. Alright, DCS it is then ^^

PPolack-1 ah, thanks. Alright, DCS it is then ^^

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 12:11 PM

yep, tho msfs support is getting closer

MMagpie And the m2k elastic pull is like 50kg?

ddrake1984•5/1/23, 12:40 PM

You want to simulate real pilot fatigue?

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 12:42 PM

Actually yea lol

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 12:42 PM

Would actually make the m2k flight model fun

Dddrake1984 You want to simulate real pilot fatigue?

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 12:43 PM

Hey m8, who was the guy that was making the Ya & Lagg spade grips that went awol

PPiNKSH!T Hey m8, who was the guy that was making the Ya & Lagg spade grips that went awol

ddrake1984•5/1/23, 12:43 PM

Replika

Dddrake1984 Replika

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 12:43 PM

cheers m8

ddrake1984•5/1/23, 12:45 PM

This was the last correspondence I had with him via PM

ddrake1984•5/1/23, 12:45 PM

Haven’t heard from him since

PiNKSH!T•5/1/23, 12:45 PM

dam it wtf he have to go do that for

LeLv30_Superbus•5/1/23, 1:09 PM

Not a Virpil desk mount but the geometry and the extension is almost the same. My feedback: you probably need less throw than you think. I have found it is more important to sit closer to the desk and be able to reach everything in the front panel which you also have in your design. I've got Cougar MFDs on the edge of the table. I can reach those comfortably too. It's not just the throw, it's the overall ergonomics. I have a throw limiter plate with 18° / 12° angles and the physical stick moves a lot further than the virtual one does in DCS. I fly both

and

MMagpie Umm I don’t really get the question. I think dcs just says. Hey I’m this scenar...

inv•5/1/23, 1:23 PM

That is my question. Does DCS ask directinput for 35 percent (of max) or say 5 n of force? I would think that if you wanted to simulate something as accurate as possible the latter would be best.

LLeLv30_Superbus Not a Virpil desk mount but the geometry and the extension is almost the same. M...

Number481•5/1/23, 1:24 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I don't imagine the full 22 degrees would (ever) be required..but didn't want to limit myself too much. I think the CM3 I am currently using is only +/- 15 or so

MagpieOP•5/1/23, 1:24 PM

Just a percentage I’d say

Number481•5/1/23, 1:25 PM

While I hope to build this out of aluminum at some point.. I think my first iteration is going to be plywood, a 2x4 and some adjustable furniture legs from Amazon

Number481•5/1/23, 1:25 PM

Vulcan•5/1/23, 1:39 PM

Nothing wrong with that! If you really want a metal one don't make it too fancy with birch plywood and stain or you'll lose all motivation to upgrade it once it's beautiful and works perfectly!

MMagpie Just a percentage I’d say

inv•5/1/23, 3:12 PM

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/desktop/ee417675(v=vs.85) Seems like you are correct, but directinput returns the actual force applied so I guess that could be used by the developer to adjust for the exact force experienced by the pilot.

Gain

PPiNKSH!T 24nm build coming up? 😆

Will3D•5/1/23, 10:59 PM

My setup is about 24Nm. But you lose so much with extensions. I'm about 400mm from pivot point and currently need ~7kg of force at full deflection. I'm considering a 5:1 gearbox on the 86BLF04 motors (along with the pulley setup) which would double that. Realistically I don't think I can go much further though, not without larger motors, which aren't available. And then the VPForce board wouldn't be able to drive the extra current they would draw either.

PiNKSH!T•5/2/23, 3:31 AM

yeah right, I have the Rhino & a 200mm vkb extension & use the mcgu which I can feel the difference compared to when I use the extremely light kg12 v2 grip, although with the kg12 grip & full gain, spring etc. I do get a decent amount of force, I think a 24Nm build would suffice for me. Maybe in the future if Walmis can intergrate some of those crazy pankacke motors for e-scooters etc. then a build with irl stick forces would be an idea I'd def look into.

PPiNKSH!T yeah right, I have the Rhino & a 200mm vkb extension & use the mcgu which I can ...

TonyM•5/2/23, 5:01 AM

so you are fine with the MCGU + 200mm extension or do you think the MCGU is too heavy when paired with the 200mm extension?

TTonyM so you are fine with the MCGU + 200mm extension or do you think the MCGU is too ...

PiNKSH!T•5/2/23, 5:20 AM

well the thing is I mostly fly modern jets & helicopters with the mcgu & have the stick feeling lighter anyway, (at least for the FBW eg. FC3 F-15c). I'm pretty sure ppl here are using the TM F-18 grip with extensions on the Rhino & that grip is even heavier. The mcgu is a really good stick for heli's & modern aircraft, I mean really it's still good for warbirds (the brake lever eg.) or GA too & it has so many buttons, hats etc. & options to swap hats for axis & in the software you can still have the axis mini sticks act both ways. Also being able to still use the vkb software is a bonus. If you fly modern incl. FBW & warbirds/GA too, then maybe consider getting a second grip like the kg12.

PiNKSH!T•5/2/23, 5:22 AM

I have thought about getting the mcgu grip shell 3d printed or resign, something strong & lightweight. I'm not sure about the weight difference but check out the virpil's CM2 it's a modern Russian style grip.

PPiNKSH!T well the thing is I mostly fly modern jets & helicopters with the mcgu & have th...

TonyM•5/2/23, 5:41 AM

Thanks for the feedback! I fly mostly helis and Warbids. I use for heli a Virpil Alpha-R as cycliq and for fixed wings/ warbirds a MCGU (that replaced a VKG SCG Space Combat). For me the MCGU is by far the best stick I had so far in terms of feel (a little bit to large however for my smaller hands). Unfortunately it is already too heavy with a 200mm extension to be used as a cyliq with the GF MK.III. The Virpil Alpha-R is also made of metal but it really doesn‘t feel as nice as the MCGU. At least to me.
I am waiting for my Rhino and I hope that I will be able to use my MCGU. Worst case I will use my Virpil Alpha-R.

TTonyM Thanks for the feedback! I fly mostly helis and Warbids. I use for heli a Virpil...

PiNKSH!T•5/2/23, 5:51 AM

Oh you'll deff be able to use your mcgu, I do & it's fine, 9Nm is still a decent amount of torque, one of the Logitech steering wheels can have as little as 3Nm of peak torque, even the Fanatec CLS with the boost kit only has 8Nm. Just get the kg12 for warbirds m8, it's got all the buttons you need for a warbird really. Also I've considered adding a left SCG (from the EVO I'm using atm for collective) to the GF III base & add a small dampener to it & mount it to be used as a collective, until I get a proper one.

PPiNKSH!T Oh you'll deff be able to use your mcgu, I do & it's fine, 9Nm is still a decent...

TonyM•5/2/23, 5:55 AM

I use the Virpil collective, it is good but honestly it could be better as like many other people I did the Nyogel mod and I added a dampener. I am sure the V2 will be better.

Dddrake1984 Haven’t heard from him since

aniron•5/2/23, 7:26 AM

Not his first rodeo. He did basically the same thing on the ED forums a couple years before the Discord. A shame that he couldn't get his products to market, but trying to do everything all at once is not easy.

NNumber481 Has anyone successfully mounted their Rhino to a Virpil desk mount? I've come u...

Number481•5/2/23, 11:46 PM

Updated my design to make building it a bit more achievable.. will use a on online laser cutting and bending service to have the pieces made. Will be using some adjustable furniture legs I found as the feet for the mounting plate.. Probably won't have it made with the logo cutout, but it looks cool in the rendering

PPiNKSH!T yeah right, I have the Rhino & a 200mm vkb extension & use the mcgu which I can ...

Will3D•5/3/23, 1:18 AM

Yup, would love to see an X8 pro motor option!

VPforceBot•5/3/23, 8:14 AM

:package:

RHINO #0086 Has Shipped!

Number481•5/3/23, 3:11 PM

Temporary redneck mount… works pretty well so far.

kingjamez•5/3/23, 4:09 PM

I don't know man, that looks pretty solid to me. I'd have a hard time paying a bunch of money to make that only slightly better.

Kkingjamez I don't know man, that looks pretty solid to me. I'd have a hard time paying a b...

Number481•5/3/23, 4:16 PM

Haha. Yeah, it is pretty solid. Some black spray paint would go a long way in making it look less red-neck-ish.

At least it gives me some time to decide if I want to spend the $120 to have pieces made (plus an extra $60-80 if I want them powder coated or anodized).

LeLv30_Superbus•5/3/23, 8:36 PM

Stowing it might get a bit annoying because when unpowered, the stick will fall.

LeLv30_Superbus•5/3/23, 8:58 PM

Nothing redneck about the looks, just give it a lick of paint.

LeLv30_Superbus•5/3/23, 9:02 PM

Test with max torque

ofc

MagpieOP•5/4/23, 2:41 AM

Mate just get a whole plywood board and bolt that to the pedals and bolt the stick to that. Then use the weight of your chair to keep it stable

MagpieOP•5/4/23, 2:42 AM

You can thank me later, you'll get far more use out of your rudder when you know you can kick it without it skidding

Umm I don’t really get the question. I think dcs just says. Hey I’m this scenario apply 35 percent

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